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> Frankly, OpenAI seems to be losing its luster, and fast. Good. I have no idea what's really going on inside that company but the way the staff were acting o

> Frankly, OpenAI seems to be losing its luster, and fast. Good. I have no idea what's really going on inside that company but the way the staff were acting on twitter when Altman got the push was genuinely scary, major red flags, bad vibes, you name it, it reeked of it.

rendall 3y ago
What do you mean? How were they acting? I was surprised and touched by their loyalty, but maybe I missed something you noticed.
- Sharlin 3y ago
  It's not clear to me how many of the undersigned did so under some degree of duress. Apparently there was a lot of pressure from the senior employees (those who had the most $$$ to lose) to sign.
  - earthnail 3y ago
    Well, to be fair, the board just tried to evaporate a lot of $$$ from most employees. Any unionising effort consists of employees convincing other employees to join them. Some people will care more about the union's goals than others, and you can be certain that those who care more will pester those that care less to join their cause. What happened at OpenAI was not a union effort, but I believe the comparison is excellent to understand normal dynamics of employee-based efforts.
- doktrin 3y ago
  Like a cult reciting their vows of allegiance.
  - gkbrk 3y ago
    Literally reciting too. To the point of copy-pasting the same tweets.
- Jensson 3y ago
  > I was surprised and touched by their loyalty They were loyal to money, nothing to be touched by.
osigurdson 3y ago
It lost a little of its cool factor. However, they provide a nearly essential service at this point. While it is easy to underestimate, I suspect this is already have a measurable impact on global GDP.
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- 15457345234 3y ago
  > I suspect this is already have a measurable impact on global GDP. Yeah putting people out of work on an industrial scale is probably gonna have a pretty big effect on global GDP
  - osigurdson 3y ago
    Is inefficiency the path to economic greatness and quality of life improvements? I suspect no.
    - 15457345234 3y ago
      Probably the answer to that question is yes. Because a large number of people born aren't as intelligent as a really good LLM but unless you're intending to leave them to starve (hi to all the e/acc peeps out there, I hate you!) you need to create a system with inefficiencies so that they don't just litter the street begging and dying.
Ringz 3y ago
It seems as though everyone at OpenAI is advised by an unfiltered ChatGPT in their daily work and communication. /s
msp26 3y ago
For me it was Ilya burning a wooden effigy that represented 'unaligned' AI. Of course the firing and twitter stuff too. Something's fucked in this company for sure.

rendall 3y ago

What do you mean? How were they acting? I was surprised and touched by their loyalty, but maybe I missed something you noticed.

Sharlin 3y ago
It's not clear to me how many of the undersigned did so under some degree of duress. Apparently there was a lot of pressure from the senior employees (those who had the most $$$ to lose) to sign.
- earthnail 3y ago
  Well, to be fair, the board just tried to evaporate a lot of $$$ from most employees. Any unionising effort consists of employees convincing other employees to join them. Some people will care more about the union's goals than others, and you can be certain that those who care more will pester those that care less to join their cause. What happened at OpenAI was not a union effort, but I believe the comparison is excellent to understand normal dynamics of employee-based efforts.
doktrin 3y ago
Like a cult reciting their vows of allegiance.
- gkbrk 3y ago
  Literally reciting too. To the point of copy-pasting the same tweets.
Jensson 3y ago
> I was surprised and touched by their loyalty They were loyal to money, nothing to be touched by.

osigurdson 3y ago

It lost a little of its cool factor. However, they provide a nearly essential service at this point. While it is easy to underestimate, I suspect this is already have a measurable impact on global GDP.

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15457345234 3y ago
> I suspect this is already have a measurable impact on global GDP. Yeah putting people out of work on an industrial scale is probably gonna have a pretty big effect on global GDP
- osigurdson 3y ago
  Is inefficiency the path to economic greatness and quality of life improvements? I suspect no.
  - 15457345234 3y ago
    Probably the answer to that question is yes. Because a large number of people born aren't as intelligent as a really good LLM but unless you're intending to leave them to starve (hi to all the e/acc peeps out there, I hate you!) you need to create a system with inefficiencies so that they don't just litter the street begging and dying.

Ringz 3y ago

It seems as though everyone at OpenAI is advised by an unfiltered ChatGPT in their daily work and communication. /s

msp26 3y ago

For me it was Ilya burning a wooden effigy that represented 'unaligned' AI. Of course the firing and twitter stuff too. Something's fucked in this company for sure.