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Not sure how I feel about this. I think just telling the gist of the article is fine, it’s like me talking to a friend, but sharing the article word to word see
by sashank_1509 3y ago
Not sure how I feel about this. I think just telling the gist of the article is fine, it’s like me talking to a friend, but sharing the article word to word seems like stealing.
- raincole 3y ago[flagged]
- camillomiller 3y agoAs a journalist, I defend the habit of sharing archive links. Paywalls are a lazy and detrimental solution to a larger financial problem for media organizations. They limit the access to information to a specific subset of people, and let misinformation run wild and free. So yes, sharing the article is important in this case. If there was, say, a 300$ per year global subscription to a 100 of publications, I'm also sure 90% of hacker news would buy it.
- raincole 3y ago> If there was, say, a 300$ per year global subscription to a 100 of publications, I'm also sure 90% of hacker news would buy it. No one is going to pay $300/yr to read news articles online. But even people do that, by your logic it's just limiting the access to information to a specific group of those who are able and willing to pay $300/yr to read news.
- blairbeckwith 3y agoI assure you that many people spend $300 annually on news and journalism.
- alemanek 3y agoThis kind of already exists with Apple News+. Not sure how well that is going but if anyone has the reach to make this work it would be Apple. Personally I am for anything that can decouple advertising from reporting. There are just too many perverse incentives that it creates.
- jjulius 3y ago>But since copyright is evil (when it's not mine) and content creators aren't worth their salt (if they're not me) so it's okay to do that. This is a disingenuous generalization.
- hardwaresofton 3y agoI always thought some of the people posting the archive links were shills for the people running that site (it’s monetized with ads) — brilliant strategy.
- throwanem 3y agoI'd be disappointed to learn that anyone who's been longer on HN than about five minutes wasn't using an adblocker. That said, this is a valuable service. If I were ever willing to consider turning off an adblocker anywhere, this would be where I'd start.
- hardwaresofton 3y agoAh, but that’s not the only way —- backlinks, people copying the link and sharing it on social media, and mentioning the site all grow traffic immensely, and some of that traffic won’t have ad blockers :) IIRC one of the sites still has a “buy me a coffee” link, as if the owner needs it.
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- jdd33 3y agoWell there is more content than eyeballs at this point, an exponentially rising gap between the two you could say. So according to economic theory when production outpaces consumption what happens to the value and price of whats produced?
- jprd 3y agoWe can't have a discussion on a link behind a paywall. That's what the comments section inside your paywall is for. If a link is posted here and requires a subscription, how does that further the conversation you are intending by posting the link? I want real humans paid for their efforts! If that is the primary concern then we shouldn't be posting non-public links into a public forum for discussion?
- mholt 3y agoIt's kind of a protest against the unethical practice that sites like this often do where they let search engines see their entire article for free just to get indexed and ranked highly, only to lock out visitors who click on those links. It's deceptive and manipulative just to get clicks. gary_0's reply below is a good way to frame the deception: show the search engine one thing, show the user something else.
- gary_0 3y agoBefore they switched to pro-evil, Google used to ban you from their index if you did that (show them one thing, and human visitors something else).
- spoonjim 3y agoWhich itself had funny consequences. Expert Sexchange used to show you a page with a payment dialog up top but you could just scroll down to the content.
- simondotau 3y agoI agree that we should criticise two-faced paywalls. We can do this by not linking to paywalled articles in the first place. After all, this is just reporting of a newsworthy event, other publishers exist — or will exist within minutes. (And if there aren't at least two good sources of reporting, perhaps we shouldn't assume it's true anyway?) It's important to remember that respect for the fundamentals of copyright is a prerequisite for respecting the GNU GPL and other such open source licenses.
- artninja1988 3y agoShould he have rephrased the info instead?
- mholt 3y agoYeah, run it through ChatGPT to summarize it and get some truly original content
- lopkeny12ko 3y agoI don't see how this is any different than posting an archive link. In this case, theinformation.com articles are still paywalled in archive links. So I just pasted the contents.