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I have a devious idea: A device that looks like solar-powered garden lights, but it has a wifi jammer built inside, and you plant them outside businesses such

I have a devious idea: A device that looks like solar-powered garden lights, but it has a wifi jammer built inside, and you plant them outside businesses such as banks, in the perimeter of their buildings (banks usually have large setbacks and include huge planter boxes (as bollards - see fed reserve SF that had to remodel the planter boxes because OWS folks were camping in them) to keep vehicles from ramming through doors But "jamming-bombs" might be really interesting. Is it illegal to spam noise on any frequency? Whats required? the SSID youre attempting to jam? If so, just scan for networks and pick one... then spam it with auth requests with a rotating table of MAC addresses/IMEIs etc...

kjs3 3y ago
I can't speak for all banks, but while our branches have Wifi (sure...you need to carry around an iPad...fine) the customer critical systems are wired for this reason. There's also WiFi monitors and 'wireless IDS' systems and pretty smart techs that know to look for stuff like that (because your devious idea is not remotely new to us). And if we think someone is pulling a stunt like that, we can call the FCC direct, and when we do, they do care, and they bring pretty impressive tech when they show up. Sometimes, as I understand it, with the FBI in tow.
- samstave 3y ago
  rogue ap detection has been around for a long time. you make the jammer hop between all the plants randomly. (its just a stupid video game mechanic and fun to think of RF/IR grenades. (have micro RF 'jammers' that are the size of peas (they just emit enough RF noise to the local APs - - and throw a handfull in an area so RSSI RTLS is moot for the main jammers.... (more of a comic cyber - Ronin type comic that happens in a retro future Tokyo) https://i.imgur.com/jBc4jtv.jpg https://i.imgur.com/jBc4jtv.jpg
  - kjs3 3y ago
    Sorry. I thought you were talking about something more nuanced than being a low-grade dick. Sure, you can probably drive the secops guys nuts for a while, and definitely piss off the customer service folks, which pisses of customers. But no one is going not be able to deposit their check or get some $$$ out of the ATM machine.
    - samstave 3y ago
      Kinda judgemental... I used bank as a blanket example, OWS DNA... or take out a Blackrock office... I was just saying that cyber crime/terrorism/activism are all going to use the same tools against the same folks sooner than you can drop a packet.
      - kjs3 3y ago
        are all going to use the same tools against the same folks You mean just like it has been forever? Gosh, I guess we need to figure out that thing we've known about for decades. Thank gawd someone omn the internet clued us in. And the idea Blackrock somehow doesn't have better opsec than we do. They have and order of magnitude more money than us, and far more reputational risk! Bless your heart.
        samstave 3y ago
        You're wonderful at speculative 'what if' conversation. And banks and blackrock seem to trigger you for some reason. Oligarchy Sycophant much? - But seriously, yes I am sure Blackrock DOES have great opsec... but that doesnt preclude them from being a desirous target. we need more OWS, and less smart-ass flippant comments, such as yours, as well as things I have said in the past (Ill own I get flippant and emotionally irrationally at times - but seriously - private equity doesnt need a hair-cut, it should be scalped.
ttyprintk 3y ago
That energy is better spent creating a passive 4G IMSI catcher. 5G will probably have countermeasures against this. Your market would be surveillance systems which would pair IMEI identification with video or events like jamming.

kjs3 3y ago

I can't speak for all banks, but while our branches have Wifi (sure...you need to carry around an iPad...fine) the customer critical systems are wired for this reason. There's also WiFi monitors and 'wireless IDS' systems and pretty smart techs that know to look for stuff like that (because your devious idea is not remotely new to us). And if we think someone is pulling a stunt like that, we can call the FCC direct, and when we do, they do care, and they bring pretty impressive tech when they show up. Sometimes, as I understand it, with the FBI in tow.

samstave 3y ago
rogue ap detection has been around for a long time. you make the jammer hop between all the plants randomly. (its just a stupid video game mechanic and fun to think of RF/IR grenades. (have micro RF 'jammers' that are the size of peas (they just emit enough RF noise to the local APs - - and throw a handfull in an area so RSSI RTLS is moot for the main jammers.... (more of a comic cyber - Ronin type comic that happens in a retro future Tokyo) https://i.imgur.com/jBc4jtv.jpg https://i.imgur.com/jBc4jtv.jpg
- kjs3 3y ago
  Sorry. I thought you were talking about something more nuanced than being a low-grade dick. Sure, you can probably drive the secops guys nuts for a while, and definitely piss off the customer service folks, which pisses of customers. But no one is going not be able to deposit their check or get some $$$ out of the ATM machine.
  - samstave 3y ago
    Kinda judgemental... I used bank as a blanket example, OWS DNA... or take out a Blackrock office... I was just saying that cyber crime/terrorism/activism are all going to use the same tools against the same folks sooner than you can drop a packet.
    - kjs3 3y ago
      are all going to use the same tools against the same folks You mean just like it has been forever? Gosh, I guess we need to figure out that thing we've known about for decades. Thank gawd someone omn the internet clued us in. And the idea Blackrock somehow doesn't have better opsec than we do. They have and order of magnitude more money than us, and far more reputational risk! Bless your heart.
      - samstave 3y ago
        You're wonderful at speculative 'what if' conversation. And banks and blackrock seem to trigger you for some reason. Oligarchy Sycophant much? - But seriously, yes I am sure Blackrock DOES have great opsec... but that doesnt preclude them from being a desirous target. we need more OWS, and less smart-ass flippant comments, such as yours, as well as things I have said in the past (Ill own I get flippant and emotionally irrationally at times - but seriously - private equity doesnt need a hair-cut, it should be scalped.

ttyprintk 3y ago

That energy is better spent creating a passive 4G IMSI catcher. 5G will probably have countermeasures against this. Your market would be surveillance systems which would pair IMEI identification with video or events like jamming.