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> Mozilla will focus on bringing “trustworthy AI into Firefox.” I hope they will give us ability to turn it off. Or at least LibreWolf will turn it off / remov

> Mozilla will focus on bringing “trustworthy AI into Firefox.” I hope they will give us ability to turn it off. Or at least LibreWolf will turn it off / remove it. I’d rather they add optional small subscription fee to support themselves if they have to than add AI or some other questionable functionalities.

kbelder 3y ago
And the ability to turn off whatever guardrails they put on it in an attempt to make it trustworthy.
- creatonez 3y ago
  They seem to be inclined towards the idea of running language models on your own computer, given Mozilla released a cross-platform runtime for llama that can make use of either the CPU or GPU. So I won't be surprised if it's swappable.
  - Am4TIfIsER0ppos 3y ago
    Predicting: swappable on "nightly" versions only and release versions are 100% "I'm sorry Dave I'm afraid I can't do that"
    - noirscape 3y ago
      That's more a Chrome thing than a Firefox thing.
      - coryrc 3y ago
        I see you aren't a Firefox Mobile user.
      - yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago
        No, that's a Firefox thing: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/add-on-signing-in-firefox#w_what-are-my-options-if-i-want-to-use-an-unsigned-add-on-advanced-users https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/add-on-signing-in-firef...
- rtkwe 3y ago
  Aren't those generally burned into the model itself so not really configurable?
  - creatonez 3y ago
    Aside from the prompt and any embeddings, yes. But Mozilla's LLM runtime supports running arbitrary llama models, with a vision-capable chatbot interface. So it will be interesting to see if models are swappable in the Firefox AI.
JohnFen 3y ago
I assume that they will. They've been better than most at making sure we can disable various things that some users find objectionable. The last thing that they need is the firestorm that would certainly erupt if they didn't include a way to keep this disabled.
Dwedit 3y ago
There's already AI in there, see the current Translation feature.
- elric 3y ago
  Perfect example of why this is a bad idea. There is no immediately obvious way to turn off this obnoxious feature, which insists on hogging part of my precious screen real estate. By default, it only has a poorly worded way to disable it for a single language, but no way to simply turn it off forever. (Yes, you can disable it in about:config). If I want something translated, I'll ask for it. Feel free to add a menu item or a button somewhere to do this, but randomly popping up door hangers really grinds my gears.
  - deleted 3y ago
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  - zztop44 3y ago
    On the flip side if I navigate to a page I may not be able to read (due to the language being different to my browser settings), offering to translate it seems like a good and helpful thing. Certainly better than a button I don’t know about buried in a menu somewhere I won’t find. And if you personally don’t like it, you can disable the feature in the settings. What’s wrong with that?
- jszymborski 3y ago
  Which, I might add, is entirely local.
klyrs 3y ago
> I hope they will give us ability to turn it off. I'm sorry, Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that.
- penguin_booze 3y ago
  That's right: we'll decide what's best for you. Stop resisting.
clumsysmurf 3y ago
Recently there was some discussion about Jetbrains pre-bundled AI-related plugin: https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issue/LLM-1973/Provide-the-possibility-to-remove-a-plugin-completely-from-the-system#focus=Comments-27-9099932.0-0 https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issue/LLM-1973/Provide-the-po... Hopefully Mozilla will do the same, ship the AI functionality as a plugin and allow people to explicitly opt in if they want to use it. Its OK if they show it during on-boarding, as long as there is an option.
Gud 3y ago
Turn it off? I don’t want it turned on to begin with! I’m a Firefox user since it was called Phoenix and I am sick and tired of Mozilla using my computer as a staging ground for whatever software they are developing. I just want a functional, basic browser and whatever addon I want to install, should be an extension. Personally I have no hopes Mozilla will correct their course but I’m hoping a capable group of hacker finally manage to pull off a fork.

kbelder 3y ago

And the ability to turn off whatever guardrails they put on it in an attempt to make it trustworthy.

creatonez 3y ago
They seem to be inclined towards the idea of running language models on your own computer, given Mozilla released a cross-platform runtime for llama that can make use of either the CPU or GPU. So I won't be surprised if it's swappable.
- Am4TIfIsER0ppos 3y ago
  Predicting: swappable on "nightly" versions only and release versions are 100% "I'm sorry Dave I'm afraid I can't do that"
  - noirscape 3y ago
    That's more a Chrome thing than a Firefox thing.
    - coryrc 3y ago
      I see you aren't a Firefox Mobile user.
    - yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago
      No, that's a Firefox thing: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/add-on-signing-in-firefox#w_what-are-my-options-if-i-want-to-use-an-unsigned-add-on-advanced-users https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/add-on-signing-in-firef...
rtkwe 3y ago
Aren't those generally burned into the model itself so not really configurable?
- creatonez 3y ago
  Aside from the prompt and any embeddings, yes. But Mozilla's LLM runtime supports running arbitrary llama models, with a vision-capable chatbot interface. So it will be interesting to see if models are swappable in the Firefox AI.

JohnFen 3y ago

I assume that they will. They've been better than most at making sure we can disable various things that some users find objectionable. The last thing that they need is the firestorm that would certainly erupt if they didn't include a way to keep this disabled.

Dwedit 3y ago

There's already AI in there, see the current Translation feature.

elric 3y ago
Perfect example of why this is a bad idea. There is no immediately obvious way to turn off this obnoxious feature, which insists on hogging part of my precious screen real estate. By default, it only has a poorly worded way to disable it for a single language, but no way to simply turn it off forever. (Yes, you can disable it in about:config). If I want something translated, I'll ask for it. Feel free to add a menu item or a button somewhere to do this, but randomly popping up door hangers really grinds my gears.
- deleted 3y ago
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- zztop44 3y ago
  On the flip side if I navigate to a page I may not be able to read (due to the language being different to my browser settings), offering to translate it seems like a good and helpful thing. Certainly better than a button I don’t know about buried in a menu somewhere I won’t find. And if you personally don’t like it, you can disable the feature in the settings. What’s wrong with that?
jszymborski 3y ago
Which, I might add, is entirely local.

klyrs 3y ago

> I hope they will give us ability to turn it off. I'm sorry, Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that.

penguin_booze 3y ago
That's right: we'll decide what's best for you. Stop resisting.

clumsysmurf 3y ago

Recently there was some discussion about Jetbrains pre-bundled AI-related plugin: https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issue/LLM-1973/Provide-the-possibility-to-remove-a-plugin-completely-from-the-system#focus=Comments-27-9099932.0-0 https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issue/LLM-1973/Provide-the-po... Hopefully Mozilla will do the same, ship the AI functionality as a plugin and allow people to explicitly opt in if they want to use it. Its OK if they show it during on-boarding, as long as there is an option.

Gud 3y ago

Turn it off? I don’t want it turned on to begin with! I’m a Firefox user since it was called Phoenix and I am sick and tired of Mozilla using my computer as a staging ground for whatever software they are developing. I just want a functional, basic browser and whatever addon I want to install, should be an extension. Personally I have no hopes Mozilla will correct their course but I’m hoping a capable group of hacker finally manage to pull off a fork.