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Okay, now do the statistics for the number of people who burned to death. Actually, no need, I have them right here. The NFPA (the same organization Tesla is q
by Veserv 3y ago
Okay, now do the statistics for the number of people who burned to death. Actually, no need, I have them right here.
The NFPA (the same organization Tesla is quoting for vehicle fire counts) estimates 560 fire deaths per year in the US over 290 million registered vehicle years [2] or ~1.93 deaths per million vehicle-years.
Third party reports show at least 20 people burned to death in their Tesla's in the US in 2022 [1]. There were ~3.65 million Tesla's worldwide in 2022. If we divide US deaths by worldwide Teslas you get ~5.47 people burning to death per million vehicle-years or ~2.8x deadlier if every worldwide Tesla was in the US. By 2022 the US probably accounted for ~50% of vehicles, so you are probably ~5x more likely to burn to death in a Tesla than the average car (which by the way is ~10 years old, half the price, with fewer safety features).
That is not 500% more likely to burn to death given that you get into a fire, that is 500% more likely to burn to death total. If you get into a fire in a Tesla then you are ~5,000% more likely to die in it.
Quite odd how Tesla read the same reports yet only published analysis on the non-safety critical cases that make themselves look good instead of the safety critical cases that make them look dramatically more dangerous than the Pinto. Must be because their data analysis team consists of people with the analytical capability of grade schoolers since any competent individual could easily do this analysis. I mean, the only other possibility is that the analysts and their management are deliberately perpetrating criminal fraud by sacrificing human lives to line their own pockets. One or the other, pick one.
[1] https://www.tesla-fire.com/ https://www.tesla-fire.com/
[2] https://www.nfpa.org/education-and-research/research/nfpa-research/fire-statistical-reports/vehicle-fires?l=343 https://www.nfpa.org/education-and-research/research/nfpa-re...
- 1970-01-01 3y ago>Third party reports show at least 20 people burned to death in their Tesla's in the US in 2022 [1] I started fact checking [1], and stopped when there was only 1 death in 2022: a cat. Many of "your" fires are indirectly related to Tesla (e.x. bad EVSE wiring job), so please link me to anything I may have missed and I'll continue.
- Veserv 3y agoI have no idea what you are even talking about. The page has clear links to news stories corroborating the deaths. Here are a few in 2022 with minimal paywalls: [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20221111234459/https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/news/1-dead-2-injured-after-car-bursts-into-flames-during-multi-car-crash-in-garden-grove/ https://web.archive.org/web/20221111234459/https://www.cbsne... “A Tesla is believed to have burst into flames upon impact. One person, a passenger inside the Tesla, was pronounced dead at the scene by first responders.” [2] https://www.11alive.com/article/news/local/atlanta-crash-ralph-d-abernathy/85-c224cf65-b2ef-47b7-8bad-facb0fa5a329 https://www.11alive.com/article/news/local/atlanta-crash-ral... “ One person is dead after a fiery crash on Tuesday morning in southwest Atlanta where Atlanta Police officers were unable to rescue the driver from a burning Tesla.” [3] https://www.denver7.com/news/investigations/fatal-tesla-crash-in-evergreen-now-part-of-federal-investigation https://www.denver7.com/news/investigations/fatal-tesla-cras... Look familiar? “The crash happened in the late evening of May 16 on Upper Bear Creek Road when the car went off the road and slammed into a tree. The car then caught fire. A passenger made it out of the vehicle, but the driver, 33-year-old Hans von Ohain, died at the scene.” Yep, literally the very crash this thread is about was a fire death. You clearly either did not even look at the link provided or failed to understand how the data was presented. And just in case you did not read the NFPA report I linked and make a statement like, “But, but, those were crashes, they don’t count.” The NFPA report counts all fires where a death occurred directly or indirectly, especially collisions which were responsible for almost 2/3 of vehicle fire deaths. What the data actually shows is that non-collision fires, which are almost never deadly, are uncommon on Teslas. However, collision fires, which are very deadly, are disproportionately dangerous and common on Teslas to the extent that their total fire death rate is multiple times higher than regular cars. As it turns out, reducing your near miss rate in return for increasing catastrophic failure rate is not acceptable.
- 1970-01-01 3y ago1 does NOT state the person "burned to death" 2 does NOT state the person "burned to death" 3 does NOT state the person "burned to death"