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I can assure you they don't give a shit. The FCC has been completely asleep at the wheel for a decade. Yeah if you rig up a 1kw tube amp and start splattering

I can assure you they don't give a shit. The FCC has been completely asleep at the wheel for a decade. Yeah if you rig up a 1kw tube amp and start splattering a big chunk of the FM boardcast band, jam their cash cow mobile networks or run around with a GPS jammer near an airport you'll get a near immediate PP slap but beyond that they'll maybe send a car eventually. They don't have the ability to detect and locate this stuff in real time and, IMO, probably shouldn't for privacy reasons.

pierat 3y ago
For ISM, yeah the FCC don't give a shit. Marriott was jamming for years, until they were forced to stop. Keyword: years. If someone is making temporary jamming attacks (even on GPS or cell), unless you do it at your house or stationary, you ain't getting caught. I know 'a friend at the hackerspace' who did a .25w GPS spoof to make the city look like it was in Moscow, Russia. Nobody responded.
- syntheticcorp 3y ago
  Specifically, Marriott was deauthing rather than just plain jamming.
  - pierat 3y ago
    Deauthing is an application-soecific jamming. There's lots of types of jamming, not just white noise static.
dylan604 3y ago
I can assure you they will give a shit if you make enough, ahem, noise that people start complaining. Not that it's not fun to mess around though. Think about those little stickers that says your device must accept all blah blah. You just have to be able to talk to them so they can.
spr-alex 3y ago
Rest assured they do. If you look up FCC violations in urban areas you can find out that they are quite adept at triangulating violators. "A first offense is a misdemeanor punishable by up to a $10,000 fine and/or up to a year in jail. Subsequent offenses are felonies punishable by up to 2 years in prison. In practice, this might result in only a civil action by the FCC. But it is forbidden by Congress and can be punished by imprisonment." https://law.stackexchange.com/questions/94617/is-deliberate-radio-interference-a-crime#:~:text=A%20first%20offense%20is%20a,can%20be%20punished%20by%20imprisonment https://law.stackexchange.com/questions/94617/is-deliberate-....
- AnarchismIsCool 3y ago
  Not sure why everyone is linking me articles on the CFRs, long abandoned listening posts too far from anything to matter at all, and the few one off cases where someone did something dumb enough, long enough, that it got the FCCs attention, which is newsworthy because they usually don't pay any attention. You can fuck with RF as much as you want, as long as you A: don't do it constantly, B: don't do it in the same location every time (at home), and C: don't do it in a band belonging to someone who has their FCC field office's number on a post-it note and has paid the FCC lots of money.
  - kalleboo 3y ago
    Yeah I always recall this article http://www.arrl.org/news/view/amateur-radio-sleuthing-pins-down-source-of-strange-rf-interference http://www.arrl.org/news/view/amateur-radio-sleuthing-pins-d... The FCC told the police they didn't care, it took a bunch of HAMs running around to find the source and politely ask them to maybe fix it or at least consider turning it off if someone else complains again.

pierat 3y ago

For ISM, yeah the FCC don't give a shit. Marriott was jamming for years, until they were forced to stop. Keyword: years. If someone is making temporary jamming attacks (even on GPS or cell), unless you do it at your house or stationary, you ain't getting caught. I know 'a friend at the hackerspace' who did a .25w GPS spoof to make the city look like it was in Moscow, Russia. Nobody responded.

syntheticcorp 3y ago
Specifically, Marriott was deauthing rather than just plain jamming.
- pierat 3y ago
  Deauthing is an application-soecific jamming. There's lots of types of jamming, not just white noise static.

dylan604 3y ago

I can assure you they will give a shit if you make enough, ahem, noise that people start complaining. Not that it's not fun to mess around though. Think about those little stickers that says your device must accept all blah blah. You just have to be able to talk to them so they can.

spr-alex 3y ago

Rest assured they do. If you look up FCC violations in urban areas you can find out that they are quite adept at triangulating violators. "A first offense is a misdemeanor punishable by up to a $10,000 fine and/or up to a year in jail. Subsequent offenses are felonies punishable by up to 2 years in prison. In practice, this might result in only a civil action by the FCC. But it is forbidden by Congress and can be punished by imprisonment." https://law.stackexchange.com/questions/94617/is-deliberate-radio-interference-a-crime#:~:text=A%20first%20offense%20is%20a,can%20be%20punished%20by%20imprisonment https://law.stackexchange.com/questions/94617/is-deliberate-....

AnarchismIsCool 3y ago
Not sure why everyone is linking me articles on the CFRs, long abandoned listening posts too far from anything to matter at all, and the few one off cases where someone did something dumb enough, long enough, that it got the FCCs attention, which is newsworthy because they usually don't pay any attention. You can fuck with RF as much as you want, as long as you A: don't do it constantly, B: don't do it in the same location every time (at home), and C: don't do it in a band belonging to someone who has their FCC field office's number on a post-it note and has paid the FCC lots of money.
- kalleboo 3y ago
  Yeah I always recall this article http://www.arrl.org/news/view/amateur-radio-sleuthing-pins-down-source-of-strange-rf-interference http://www.arrl.org/news/view/amateur-radio-sleuthing-pins-d... The FCC told the police they didn't care, it took a bunch of HAMs running around to find the source and politely ask them to maybe fix it or at least consider turning it off if someone else complains again.