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Maybe 2 lines down will clear things up? > The currently enabled Autopilot, Enhanced Autopilot and Full Self-Driving features require active driver supervision

Maybe 2 lines down will clear things up? > The currently enabled Autopilot, Enhanced Autopilot and Full Self-Driving features require active driver supervision and do not make the vehicle autonomous.

sokoloff 3y ago
If they also changed "Full" to "Limited" (or "Not Full"), it would be cleared up. "Full Self Driving" and "vehicle is not autonomous" is still confusing to English speakers, IMO.
- itishappy 3y ago
  Sure, which is why they have dedicated entire sections to outlining it's exact capabilities, as well as software alerts and warnings you must accept before enabling the feature. > Before enabling Autopilot, the driver first needs to agree to “keep your hands on the steering wheel at all times” and to always “maintain control and responsibility for your vehicle.” Subsequently, every time the driver engages Autopilot, they are shown a visual reminder to “keep your hands on the wheel." If you bought this car without realizing how it worked... I sympathize, but the info was provided. If you enabled this feature without understanding how it worked... that's now on you.
  - PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago
    I'd say only in this industry but it's not true, it just means technical people are human. How does that saying go? You'll never convince someone of a fact that their income depends on not knowing? When someone writes code that is very difficult for anyone else to grok it's the code writers fault, but when someone has a misapprehension of a feature of a car, because it's on the tin SOMEWHERE, it's the fault of the customer who often times is unsophisticated in terms of vehicles and tech within vehicles.
- rsynnott 3y ago
  “No”, surely? If it requires constant supervision, it isn’t any sort of self-anything.
lotsofpulp 3y ago
Using the correct words would not require another 2 lines to clear things up. The only reason to label it incorrectly is to falsely advertise.
- itishappy 3y ago
  The Model S Plaid is also not plaid. I believe this is invented outrage, their actual capabilities are made very clear.
  - lotsofpulp 3y ago
    Model S Plaid is not describing the paint scheme of the vehicle. Full Self Driving is the name of the feature specifically chosen to mislead about its capabilities.
    - itishappy 3y ago
      > Full Self Driving is the name of the feature specifically chosen to mislead about its capabilities. Full Self Driving was chosen to describe its intended capabilities exactly. Was the SLS misleading before its first flight in 2022 because it had yet to launch to space? Were the James Webb or Hubble falsely advertised during production? "They want us to call that thing a 'Space Telescope' when it's obviously a pile of mirrors on the ground..."
      - sokoloff 3y ago
        It would be wrong to have called Mercury "lunar orbiters" though.
      - abenga 3y ago
        If a space telescope is delivered to astrophysicists for use without being able to do what a telescope should do, hell yeah that's misleading. There's a massive difference between "I want to build thing x -> I'm building x -> I have built x -> Pay me for x -> Ok, here's your x, go ahead and use x" and "I want to build x in the future -> pay me for x -> here's x, go ahead and use it -> I am building x -> I have built x (I may not be able to build it at all, btw)".

Maybe 2 lines down will clear things up? > The currently enabled Autopilot, Enhanced Autopilot and Full Self-Driving features require active driver supervision and do not make the vehicle autonomous.

sokoloff 3y ago

If they also changed "Full" to "Limited" (or "Not Full"), it would be cleared up. "Full Self Driving" and "vehicle is not autonomous" is still confusing to English speakers, IMO.

itishappy 3y ago
Sure, which is why they have dedicated entire sections to outlining it's exact capabilities, as well as software alerts and warnings you must accept before enabling the feature. > Before enabling Autopilot, the driver first needs to agree to “keep your hands on the steering wheel at all times” and to always “maintain control and responsibility for your vehicle.” Subsequently, every time the driver engages Autopilot, they are shown a visual reminder to “keep your hands on the wheel." If you bought this car without realizing how it worked... I sympathize, but the info was provided. If you enabled this feature without understanding how it worked... that's now on you.
- PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago
  I'd say only in this industry but it's not true, it just means technical people are human. How does that saying go? You'll never convince someone of a fact that their income depends on not knowing? When someone writes code that is very difficult for anyone else to grok it's the code writers fault, but when someone has a misapprehension of a feature of a car, because it's on the tin SOMEWHERE, it's the fault of the customer who often times is unsophisticated in terms of vehicles and tech within vehicles.
rsynnott 3y ago
“No”, surely? If it requires constant supervision, it isn’t any sort of self-anything.

lotsofpulp 3y ago

Using the correct words would not require another 2 lines to clear things up. The only reason to label it incorrectly is to falsely advertise.

itishappy 3y ago
The Model S Plaid is also not plaid. I believe this is invented outrage, their actual capabilities are made very clear.
- lotsofpulp 3y ago
  Model S Plaid is not describing the paint scheme of the vehicle. Full Self Driving is the name of the feature specifically chosen to mislead about its capabilities.
  - itishappy 3y ago
    > Full Self Driving is the name of the feature specifically chosen to mislead about its capabilities. Full Self Driving was chosen to describe its intended capabilities exactly. Was the SLS misleading before its first flight in 2022 because it had yet to launch to space? Were the James Webb or Hubble falsely advertised during production? "They want us to call that thing a 'Space Telescope' when it's obviously a pile of mirrors on the ground..."
    - sokoloff 3y ago
      It would be wrong to have called Mercury "lunar orbiters" though.
    - abenga 3y ago
      If a space telescope is delivered to astrophysicists for use without being able to do what a telescope should do, hell yeah that's misleading. There's a massive difference between "I want to build thing x -> I'm building x -> I have built x -> Pay me for x -> Ok, here's your x, go ahead and use x" and "I want to build x in the future -> pay me for x -> here's x, go ahead and use it -> I am building x -> I have built x (I may not be able to build it at all, btw)".