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We don't NEED to build something. Maybe NYC is big enough and people need to consider going elsewhere with better policies. We need to stop this narrative that
by eppp 3y ago
We don't NEED to build something. Maybe NYC is big enough and people need to consider going elsewhere with better policies. We need to stop this narrative that growth must continue indefinitely.
- TulliusCicero 3y agoThose people don't cease to exist if they're not in NYC, you realize? If they're not there, they're probably somewhere more sprawly, that uses more energy and cuts more space out of the environment.
- steveBK123 3y agoThis guy gets it
- TulliusCicero 3y agoA lot of NIMBYs seem to lack object permanence. If dastardly "newcomers" have to move elsewhere, they chalk that up as a victory for degrowth, as if those people poof out of existence as soon as they leave the metro area.
- eppp 3y agoI am not for degrowth though. I am for densification. Make the city larger and more compact instead of bussing and training more people in from the sprawl. Build more and taller and for more people than what is being done.
- steveBK123 3y ago> We don't NEED to build something. How do you make cities denser, larger, and more compact without.. building things?
- eppp 3y agoI was replying to your desire for more roads and transit into the metro. Upscaling the existing low density closer in the city itself would be far cheaper if the barriers were removed.
- eppp 3y agoThen why do the policies of NYC not match that perspective? I wish everyone would move to NYC personally but there doesn't seem to be any movement to improve the city itself. I don't think you have to build more roads or trains to build more and taller in NYC itself instead of pushing the problem outward.
- TulliusCicero 3y agoBecause NIMBYism is part of the cultural momentum within America as a whole. There's a lot of well-intentioned regulations that had the cumulative effect of making it really hard to build things, and people have gotten used to this. Many even feel entitled to randomly stop new construction for whatever reason they feel like, and many planning boards are all too happy to go along with them. The people who suffer most from not enough new housing, after all, are potential residents, and potential residents can't vote.
- eppp 3y agoBut the parent wants to build roads in the same place? I get the NIMBYism but building roads and trains is going to have the same exact problem from NIMBYists.