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You cannot possibly be serious? This is absolutely brilliant if it is sarcasm. Sparkle has been around for what feels like decades. It was around long before t

You cannot possibly be serious? This is absolutely brilliant if it is sarcasm. Sparkle has been around for what feels like decades. It was around long before the app store even existed. It has been the defacto way to update apps for a long time. You have probably used it a half dozen times without realizing it.

ZekeSulastin 3y ago
It’s an obvious strawman of arguments in favor of the iOS App Store.
- freedomben 3y ago
  It's not my serious argument, but it's not intended as a strawman. Please, I genuinely would like to know, why do those arguments apply to iOS but not to macOS? Where do you see a strawman in what I wrote?
  - RedComet 3y ago
    They don't apply to iOS either. It isn't their device once someone else purchases it. Furthermore, not allowing "sideloading" and bootloader unlocking is wrong. And I'd like to see EU and other governments crack down on Apple following Apple's scummy pseudocompliance with the DMA.
    - freedomben 3y ago
      Thanks, I fully agree with you, but I'm interested in hearing from someone who does think they apply to iOS but not to macOS. I'm very curious to know how they reconcile that. I suspect it will be a helpful insight into the way they think
seltzered_ 3y ago
Sparkle was around in 2006 - before the iPhone, before the Mac App Store. The original author ( Andy Matuschak ) worked at Apple for a number of years after Sparkle was being fairly well used. See https://sparkle-project.org/about/ https://sparkle-project.org/about/
- whalesalad 3y ago
  I worked at a startup back in 2008 - we loved sparkle. Our entire app was ultimately stolen by Apple and implemented in iPhoto. We made the mistake of hiring an ex iPhoto team member as a contractor who ended up going back to Apple with our ideas. Wild time for startups.
notpushkin 3y ago
I've almost downvoted but yeah, this can't possibly be a serious post. Not yet.
freedomben 3y ago
Yes correct, this is not my opinion (at all, in fact I think the exact opposite). My goal was to take the same arguments that we get repeatedly from iOS and apply them to the Mac. In fact, I wrote it carefully without mentioning platform-specific things so that the exact same text could apply equally whether you were talking about the macOS or iOS. I appreciate the compliment, but I mainly just aggregated and paraphrased the arguments I've been reading over the last several week :-) Though I honestly approached it as an attempt at the Ideological Turing Test, not just as a sarcastic or underhanded way of scoring dumb rhetorical internet points. I genuinely am interested to understand why proponents of that viewpoint on iOS wouldn't carry that over to macOS?

ZekeSulastin 3y ago

It’s an obvious strawman of arguments in favor of the iOS App Store.

freedomben 3y ago
It's not my serious argument, but it's not intended as a strawman. Please, I genuinely would like to know, why do those arguments apply to iOS but not to macOS? Where do you see a strawman in what I wrote?
- RedComet 3y ago
  They don't apply to iOS either. It isn't their device once someone else purchases it. Furthermore, not allowing "sideloading" and bootloader unlocking is wrong. And I'd like to see EU and other governments crack down on Apple following Apple's scummy pseudocompliance with the DMA.
  - freedomben 3y ago
    Thanks, I fully agree with you, but I'm interested in hearing from someone who does think they apply to iOS but not to macOS. I'm very curious to know how they reconcile that. I suspect it will be a helpful insight into the way they think

seltzered_ 3y ago

Sparkle was around in 2006 - before the iPhone, before the Mac App Store. The original author ( Andy Matuschak ) worked at Apple for a number of years after Sparkle was being fairly well used. See https://sparkle-project.org/about/ https://sparkle-project.org/about/

whalesalad 3y ago
I worked at a startup back in 2008 - we loved sparkle. Our entire app was ultimately stolen by Apple and implemented in iPhoto. We made the mistake of hiring an ex iPhoto team member as a contractor who ended up going back to Apple with our ideas. Wild time for startups.

notpushkin 3y ago

I've almost downvoted but yeah, this can't possibly be a serious post. Not yet.

freedomben 3y ago

Yes correct, this is not my opinion (at all, in fact I think the exact opposite). My goal was to take the same arguments that we get repeatedly from iOS and apply them to the Mac. In fact, I wrote it carefully without mentioning platform-specific things so that the exact same text could apply equally whether you were talking about the macOS or iOS. I appreciate the compliment, but I mainly just aggregated and paraphrased the arguments I've been reading over the last several week :-) Though I honestly approached it as an attempt at the Ideological Turing Test, not just as a sarcastic or underhanded way of scoring dumb rhetorical internet points. I genuinely am interested to understand why proponents of that viewpoint on iOS wouldn't carry that over to macOS?