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> EU probe found that iMessage falls outside the legislation because it is not widely used by businesses. Proving once more EU loyalties lie not with the peopl

by junaru 3y ago

> EU probe found that iMessage falls outside the legislation because it is not widely used by businesses. Proving once more EU loyalties lie not with the people.

bilbo0s 3y ago
To be fair to the EU, it's not widely used by people in the EU either. Part of the issue is that here in the US we think Apple is bigger than it is. Maybe it's an important messaging network here in the US, but everywhere else, it's just a phone. A nice one. But still just a phone.
- crazygringo 3y ago
  To be fair, it's not "just a phone". iPhone integrates with the whole Apple ecosystem, so I can copy text on my phone and paste it on my Mac without thinking about it, or AirDrop a large file, or use it as a remote control for my Apple TV, and so forth. It's just as much part of the Apple ecosystem everywhere in the world, even if you don't use iMessage. You're not getting anything like that if you're using Android and a PC. Which may be fine depending on your needs. But iMessage isn't the only differentiator here.
  - pelorat 3y ago
    Not a lot of people here uses a Mac either. Why spend 1500 euros on a Mac when you can buy a windows laptop for 500-700 that does everything the Mac does.
    - kube-system 3y ago
      Because it offers a premium experience and NA buyers have a 50% higher disposable income than EU buyers.
    - pb7 3y ago
      Why buy an Audi when a Volkswagen does the same thing for 50% of the cost?
    - crazygringo 3y ago
      Because it tends to last for 2-3 times as long and still holds resale value when you finally choose to upgrade. Because of this, entry-level Macs are often actually cheaper in the long run -- and with the M chips they're faster too. And of course generally provide a much higher-quality experience, like trackpad quality, screen quality, etc.
      - alberto180 3y ago
        Yeah until they die because the not changeable SSDs has reached their cycles. I see many old ThinkPads still humming in the university library, but not many old macs.
        crazygringo 3y ago
        Extraordinarily few people reach the cycle limit of the SSD on their Mac. That's not something to worry about for probably 99.999% of people, so it's just a weird thing to bring up. And how do you know you're not seeing many old MacBooks? The MBA was launched over a decade and a half ago and it still looks almost identical to a casual observer.
        alberto180 3y ago
        That's why there are so many reports about M1 Notebooks dying after 3/4 years out there. There are huge noticeable differences between a 10 year MBA and a recent one
        crazygringo 3y ago
        Except there aren't reports of that. Just tried googling and couldn't find anything about SSD failure actually happening. What I did find was some fearmongering back in 2021 about whether it might become a thing, but it seems like it was entirely hypothetical and never actually happened. Also the M1 has only been around for a little over 3 years. They can't be dying after 4 years because they're not that old. Where are you getting all this misinformation from? And why are you motivated to be repeating it?
  - soundnote 3y ago
    You absolutely can do those kinds of things between Windows and Android. For clipboard, Microsoft has a cloud clipboard between SwiftKey and Windows. KDE connect lets you send your clipboard to another device on the local WiFi, or toss files over local WiFi to another device with KDE Connect. KDE Connect also lets me use my phone as a remote for my Windows machine.
FirmwareBurner 3y ago
Not really. If I'm a business and need to contact my customers and can just call them or text them on SMS or third party messenger platforms. Apple does not gatekeep me from reaching out to them. But if I'm a business and want to sell my customers an app, then Apple is the gatekeeper for the iOS platform, as I can't distribute my app to my customers with Apple devices any other way. Similar with people. In EU nobody I know defaults to iMessages so it's not a big issue here.
lxgr 3y ago
If the European Commission were to regulate something that almost nobody in the EU actually uses, Apple probably would have an easy time convincing courts that the EC overstepped their mandate.

by junaru 3y ago

> EU probe found that iMessage falls outside the legislation because it is not widely used by businesses. Proving once more EU loyalties lie not with the people.

bilbo0s 3y ago

To be fair to the EU, it's not widely used by people in the EU either. Part of the issue is that here in the US we think Apple is bigger than it is. Maybe it's an important messaging network here in the US, but everywhere else, it's just a phone. A nice one. But still just a phone.

crazygringo 3y ago
To be fair, it's not "just a phone". iPhone integrates with the whole Apple ecosystem, so I can copy text on my phone and paste it on my Mac without thinking about it, or AirDrop a large file, or use it as a remote control for my Apple TV, and so forth. It's just as much part of the Apple ecosystem everywhere in the world, even if you don't use iMessage. You're not getting anything like that if you're using Android and a PC. Which may be fine depending on your needs. But iMessage isn't the only differentiator here.
- pelorat 3y ago
  Not a lot of people here uses a Mac either. Why spend 1500 euros on a Mac when you can buy a windows laptop for 500-700 that does everything the Mac does.
  - kube-system 3y ago
    Because it offers a premium experience and NA buyers have a 50% higher disposable income than EU buyers.
  - pb7 3y ago
    Why buy an Audi when a Volkswagen does the same thing for 50% of the cost?
  - crazygringo 3y ago
    Because it tends to last for 2-3 times as long and still holds resale value when you finally choose to upgrade. Because of this, entry-level Macs are often actually cheaper in the long run -- and with the M chips they're faster too. And of course generally provide a much higher-quality experience, like trackpad quality, screen quality, etc.
    - alberto180 3y ago
      Yeah until they die because the not changeable SSDs has reached their cycles. I see many old ThinkPads still humming in the university library, but not many old macs.
      - crazygringo 3y ago
        Extraordinarily few people reach the cycle limit of the SSD on their Mac. That's not something to worry about for probably 99.999% of people, so it's just a weird thing to bring up. And how do you know you're not seeing many old MacBooks? The MBA was launched over a decade and a half ago and it still looks almost identical to a casual observer.
        alberto180 3y ago
        That's why there are so many reports about M1 Notebooks dying after 3/4 years out there. There are huge noticeable differences between a 10 year MBA and a recent one
        crazygringo 3y ago
        Except there aren't reports of that. Just tried googling and couldn't find anything about SSD failure actually happening. What I did find was some fearmongering back in 2021 about whether it might become a thing, but it seems like it was entirely hypothetical and never actually happened. Also the M1 has only been around for a little over 3 years. They can't be dying after 4 years because they're not that old. Where are you getting all this misinformation from? And why are you motivated to be repeating it?
- soundnote 3y ago
  You absolutely can do those kinds of things between Windows and Android. For clipboard, Microsoft has a cloud clipboard between SwiftKey and Windows. KDE connect lets you send your clipboard to another device on the local WiFi, or toss files over local WiFi to another device with KDE Connect. KDE Connect also lets me use my phone as a remote for my Windows machine.

FirmwareBurner 3y ago

Not really. If I'm a business and need to contact my customers and can just call them or text them on SMS or third party messenger platforms. Apple does not gatekeep me from reaching out to them. But if I'm a business and want to sell my customers an app, then Apple is the gatekeeper for the iOS platform, as I can't distribute my app to my customers with Apple devices any other way. Similar with people. In EU nobody I know defaults to iMessages so it's not a big issue here.

lxgr 3y ago

If the European Commission were to regulate something that almost nobody in the EU actually uses, Apple probably would have an easy time convincing courts that the EC overstepped their mandate.