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I'm not surprised by the iMessage decision, but on the Bing case I'm personally still on the bench. I guess that API-only use is exempt from DMA? Americans,

I'm not surprised by the iMessage decision*, but on the Bing case I'm personally still on the bench. I guess that API-only use is exempt from DMA? * Americans, virtually no one uses iMessage outside your country, or at least to the point that it'll force you to get an iPhone. Even Japan, with their love with iPhones, uses a homegrown service for their messaging needs.

sakex 3y ago
Most Swedes I know use iMessage actually. That's very anecdotal tho
- soco 3y ago
  Swiss datapoint: my whole extended family/friends circle has iPhones and they only use WhatsApp (and FaceTime for video). I'm not even sure I ever heard the name "iMessage" before.
  - kube-system 3y ago
    > I'm not even sure I ever heard the name "iMessage" before Nobody I know colloquially calls it that in the US either. The app is called "messages", and people just call it "texting"... "on an iPhone". I don't think most people even realize it is not SMS/MMS.
    - lalaithion 3y ago
      > I don't think most people even realize it is not SMS/MMS Nobody knows what SMS or MMS are either.
  - sakex 3y ago
    Hey I'm also swiss but we have a weird edge case where most people have an iPhone but still use WhatsApp
- 10729287 3y ago
  French here. I still use iMessage for family and friends one to one discussions but group chats are exclusively on WhatsApp here… and I’ve got tons. Too much. For every circle and sometimes more than one per circle depending on the subject. Are US people using iMessage for this ?
  - hwbehrens 3y ago
    > Are US people using iMessage for this? Often, yes.
- SiempreViernes 3y ago
  I think this mostly tells us you are an American with an Iphone, in Sweden other apps are popular to the point that the Mac media celebrates the release of an WhatsApp beta: https://www.macworld.se/article/2077773/whatsapp-kommer-antligen-till-ipad.html https://www.macworld.se/article/2077773/whatsapp-kommer-antl...
  - sakex 3y ago
    I'm Swiss with a Pixel 7 Pro
monsieurgaufre 3y ago
Most canadians use iMessage as well. Or FB Messenger. Still anecdotal.
stephen_g 3y ago
Plenty of people use it in Australia…
thejohnconway 3y ago
Pretty common in the UK. I think iMessage is common in English speaking countries with high iPhone usage.
- gmac 3y ago
  I use SMS/iMessage for most one-to-one messaging, but never for group chats. For groups, I use only WhatsApp and a little Signal. I'm in the UK.
  - Aloha 3y ago
    I got into Telegram for group chat, I was surprised at the saturation of WhatsApp when I went overseas.
- tremarley 3y ago
  It’s common in the UK, but it isn’t the most used messaging app. WhatsApp is more common in the UK
- troad 3y ago
  > I think iMessage is common in English speaking countries with high iPhone usage. I can confirm that iMessage is extremely common in Australia. WhatsApp is very uncommon, outside of people with European (and maybe South American?) friends or family to keep in touch with. And given the country's demographics, I suspect there are far more people using WeChat to keep up with their overseas contacts in Aus than there are people using WhatsApp.
piltdownman 3y ago
WhatsApp is almost the de-facto standard for messaging in Europe, with cash transfers usually seconded to Revolut. iMessage in the US is, to put it bluntly, a self-selecting cult. The amount of articles, podcasts and dating vlogs that detail how common it is to straight up discount a member of the opposite sex from dating based on not having an iPhone is testament to this. In an OKCupid Poll (which is about as transparent as dating bigdata ever got) 27% of respondents felt that green bubbles were less desirable than mansplaining in terms of dealbreakers in a potential partner... https://www.androidauthority.com/green-bubble-phenomenon-1021350/ https://www.androidauthority.com/green-bubble-phenomenon-102... https://www.cnet.com/culture/iphone-or-android-your-phone-choice-could-be-impacting-your-love-life/ https://www.cnet.com/culture/iphone-or-android-your-phone-ch... https://nypost.com/2019/08/14/sorry-android-users-these-iphone-snobs-wont-date-you/ https://nypost.com/2019/08/14/sorry-android-users-these-ipho...
- pests 3y ago
  It's sad but true. Green bubbles means you're poor or lower class. The only valid complaint is messing up iMessage group chats which are much better than SMS group chats. - Proud Android User
pb7 3y ago
>Even Japan, with their love with iPhones, uses a homegrown service for their messaging needs. Meanwhile Europe uses another US tech giant's service. The simple answer is that most of Europe is not wealthy enough to afford iPhones and not adept enough at developing competing services without first kneecapping competition with regulation.
- nixass 3y ago
  So if people had more money (which in western Europe they already do) they'd be buying more iPhones? Get out of here..
  - pb7 3y ago
    European countries that have high disposable income like the US have higher market share of iPhones. In general, iPhones owners are wealthier across the board than Android phone owners.
- Vt71fcAqt7 3y ago
  LINE isn't actually owned by Japanese anyway.
jbm 3y ago
LINE is as homegrown as Tiktok with a front-end built by an American dev. It was initially owned by a Korean company (Naver), and a lot of the wikipedia article reads like a hagiography. Calling LINE a win over iMessage is a huge stretch. The privacy policies on LINE were not good at all when I last looked at it several years ago; transferring your account from one phone to another was (is?) really annoying, and getting a username isn't necessarily that easy. Say what you want, but Apple didn't punish me as much for having moved from Japan to Canada.

I'm not surprised by the iMessage decision*, but on the Bing case I'm personally still on the bench. I guess that API-only use is exempt from DMA? * Americans,

sakex 3y ago

Most Swedes I know use iMessage actually. That's very anecdotal tho

soco 3y ago
Swiss datapoint: my whole extended family/friends circle has iPhones and they only use WhatsApp (and FaceTime for video). I'm not even sure I ever heard the name "iMessage" before.
- kube-system 3y ago
  > I'm not even sure I ever heard the name "iMessage" before Nobody I know colloquially calls it that in the US either. The app is called "messages", and people just call it "texting"... "on an iPhone". I don't think most people even realize it is not SMS/MMS.
  - lalaithion 3y ago
    > I don't think most people even realize it is not SMS/MMS Nobody knows what SMS or MMS are either.
- sakex 3y ago
  Hey I'm also swiss but we have a weird edge case where most people have an iPhone but still use WhatsApp
10729287 3y ago
French here. I still use iMessage for family and friends one to one discussions but group chats are exclusively on WhatsApp here… and I’ve got tons. Too much. For every circle and sometimes more than one per circle depending on the subject. Are US people using iMessage for this ?
- hwbehrens 3y ago
  > Are US people using iMessage for this? Often, yes.
SiempreViernes 3y ago
I think this mostly tells us you are an American with an Iphone, in Sweden other apps are popular to the point that the Mac media celebrates the release of an WhatsApp beta: https://www.macworld.se/article/2077773/whatsapp-kommer-antligen-till-ipad.html https://www.macworld.se/article/2077773/whatsapp-kommer-antl...
- sakex 3y ago
  I'm Swiss with a Pixel 7 Pro

monsieurgaufre 3y ago

Most canadians use iMessage as well. Or FB Messenger. Still anecdotal.

stephen_g 3y ago

Plenty of people use it in Australia…

thejohnconway 3y ago

Pretty common in the UK. I think iMessage is common in English speaking countries with high iPhone usage.

gmac 3y ago
I use SMS/iMessage for most one-to-one messaging, but never for group chats. For groups, I use only WhatsApp and a little Signal. I'm in the UK.
- Aloha 3y ago
  I got into Telegram for group chat, I was surprised at the saturation of WhatsApp when I went overseas.
tremarley 3y ago
It’s common in the UK, but it isn’t the most used messaging app. WhatsApp is more common in the UK
troad 3y ago
> I think iMessage is common in English speaking countries with high iPhone usage. I can confirm that iMessage is extremely common in Australia. WhatsApp is very uncommon, outside of people with European (and maybe South American?) friends or family to keep in touch with. And given the country's demographics, I suspect there are far more people using WeChat to keep up with their overseas contacts in Aus than there are people using WhatsApp.

piltdownman 3y ago

WhatsApp is almost the de-facto standard for messaging in Europe, with cash transfers usually seconded to Revolut. iMessage in the US is, to put it bluntly, a self-selecting cult. The amount of articles, podcasts and dating vlogs that detail how common it is to straight up discount a member of the opposite sex from dating based on not having an iPhone is testament to this. In an OKCupid Poll (which is about as transparent as dating bigdata ever got) 27% of respondents felt that green bubbles were less desirable than mansplaining in terms of dealbreakers in a potential partner... https://www.androidauthority.com/green-bubble-phenomenon-1021350/ https://www.androidauthority.com/green-bubble-phenomenon-102... https://www.cnet.com/culture/iphone-or-android-your-phone-choice-could-be-impacting-your-love-life/ https://www.cnet.com/culture/iphone-or-android-your-phone-ch... https://nypost.com/2019/08/14/sorry-android-users-these-iphone-snobs-wont-date-you/ https://nypost.com/2019/08/14/sorry-android-users-these-ipho...

pests 3y ago
It's sad but true. Green bubbles means you're poor or lower class. The only valid complaint is messing up iMessage group chats which are much better than SMS group chats. - Proud Android User

pb7 3y ago

>Even Japan, with their love with iPhones, uses a homegrown service for their messaging needs. Meanwhile Europe uses another US tech giant's service. The simple answer is that most of Europe is not wealthy enough to afford iPhones and not adept enough at developing competing services without first kneecapping competition with regulation.

nixass 3y ago
So if people had more money (which in western Europe they already do) they'd be buying more iPhones? Get out of here..
- pb7 3y ago
  European countries that have high disposable income like the US have higher market share of iPhones. In general, iPhones owners are wealthier across the board than Android phone owners.
Vt71fcAqt7 3y ago
LINE isn't actually owned by Japanese anyway.

jbm 3y ago

LINE is as homegrown as Tiktok with a front-end built by an American dev. It was initially owned by a Korean company (Naver), and a lot of the wikipedia article reads like a hagiography. Calling LINE a win over iMessage is a huge stretch. The privacy policies on LINE were not good at all when I last looked at it several years ago; transferring your account from one phone to another was (is?) really annoying, and getting a username isn't necessarily that easy. Say what you want, but Apple didn't punish me as much for having moved from Japan to Canada.