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Can you point out what you are talking about? Because the only old papers on climate change that I've seen (e.g. Hansen et al, 1988, https://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/

Can you point out what you are talking about? Because the only old papers on climate change that I've seen (e.g. Hansen et al, 1988, https://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/abs/ha02700w.html https://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/abs/ha02700w.html) say basically exactly the same as climate science today (with less precision and certainty). "NYC under water by 2030" is NOT a prediction that I have ever seen in those papers, much less the scientific consensus at ANY point in time.

graycat 3y ago
For > "NYC under water by 2030" is NOT a prediction that I have ever seen in those papers, much less the scientific consensus at ANY point in time. There is a low quality quote for >1989: New York City’s West Side Highway underwater by 2019 So via CEI (Competitive Enterprise Institute) at https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-of-failed-eco-pocalyptic-predictions/ https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-of-failed-eco-poca... with > Wrong again: 50 Years of Failed Ecopocalyptic Predictions > Myron Ebell Steven J. Milloy 09/18/2019 is: > 1989: New York City’s West Side Highway underwater by 2019 > While doing research 12 or 13 years ago, I met Jim Hansen, the scientist who in 1988 predicted the greenhouse effect before Congress. I went over to the window with him and looked out on Broadway in New York City and said, "If what you are saying about the greenhouse effect is true, is anything going to look different down there in 20 years?" He looked for a while and was quiet and didn't say anything for a couple of seconds. Then he said, "Well, there will be more traffic." I, of course didn't think he heard the question right. Then he explained, "The West Side Highway [which runs along the Hudson River] will be under water." That quote continues on with some more extreme predictions. Uh, that's not a primary reference. CEI gives a link to a Salon article. And the Associate Press may have been involved in the quote.

graycat 3y ago

For > "NYC under water by 2030" is NOT a prediction that I have ever seen in those papers, much less the scientific consensus at ANY point in time. There is a low quality quote for >1989: New York City’s West Side Highway underwater by 2019 So via CEI (Competitive Enterprise Institute) at https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-of-failed-eco-pocalyptic-predictions/ https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-of-failed-eco-poca... with > Wrong again: 50 Years of Failed Ecopocalyptic Predictions > Myron Ebell Steven J. Milloy 09/18/2019 is: > 1989: New York City’s West Side Highway underwater by 2019 > While doing research 12 or 13 years ago, I met Jim Hansen, the scientist who in 1988 predicted the greenhouse effect before Congress. I went over to the window with him and looked out on Broadway in New York City and said, "If what you are saying about the greenhouse effect is true, is anything going to look different down there in 20 years?" He looked for a while and was quiet and didn't say anything for a couple of seconds. Then he said, "Well, there will be more traffic." I, of course didn't think he heard the question right. Then he explained, "The West Side Highway [which runs along the Hudson River] will be under water." That quote continues on with some more extreme predictions. Uh, that's not a primary reference. CEI gives a link to a Salon article. And the Associate Press may have been involved in the quote.