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> You can bootstrap or replace the private market in the beginning with government orders or funding for stuff like airplanes, ship, logistics, energy, defense,

> You can bootstrap or replace the private market in the beginning with government orders or funding for stuff like airplanes, ship, logistics, energy, defense, machining, but not for consumer tech. Where do you think consumer tech comes from, except from initial government funding (often military-related). Mazzucato has an entire chapter in her book on the iPhone and all the tech that was originally government-funded: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Entrepreneurial_State https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Entrepreneurial_State * https://marianamazzucato.com/books/the-entrepreneurial-state/ https://marianamazzucato.com/books/the-entrepreneurial-state... Computer graphics is no different, with universities doing all sort of early work: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_teapot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_teapot * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_computer_animation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_computer_animation * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACM_SIGGRAPH https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACM_SIGGRAPH * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_computer_animation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_computer_animation What became CUDA (originally "Brook") was developed with government grants: > Ian Buck, while at Stanford in 2000, created an 8K gaming rig using 32 GeForce cards, then obtained a DARPA grant to perform general purpose parallel programming on GPUs. * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CUDA#Background https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CUDA#Background * http://graphics.stanford.edu/~ianbuck/ http://graphics.stanford.edu/~ianbuck/ From November 2008, "The history of CUDA": * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cmh1EHXjJsk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cmh1EHXjJsk

FirmwareBurner 3y ago
>Mazzucato has an entire chapter in her book on the iPhone and all the tech that was originally government-funded: There was nothing special technologically about the first iPhone hardware. It was built using the same commercial of-the-shelf parts that the likes of Samsung, Blackberry Nokia and Ericsson also had access to. Apple didn't use some secret top US tech for it, just the software and UX was ahead of the competition, but the hardware was basic.
- throw0101b 3y ago
  > It was built using the same commercial of-the-shelf parts that the likes of Samsung, Blackberry Nokia and Ericsson also had access to. Touch screens were developed from government-funded research. Tech like Siri was developed from government-funded research (CALO project). ARM was developed for the BBC Micro; BBC is government-funded. GPS is government run. The Internet was a government research network originally. Apple itself got money from the US government’s Small Business Investment Company: * https://www.forbes.com/sites/deborahsweeney/2018/09/04/not-just-for-small-businesses-how-the-sba-helped-grow-3-major-companies/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/deborahsweeney/2018/09/04/not-j...
  - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
    >Touch screens were developed from government-funded research. Sure but they weren't an Apple classified exclusive tech, but was commercially accessible to all phone makers.
    - throw0101b 3y ago
      > Sure but they weren't an Apple classified exclusive tech, but was commercially accessible to all phone makers. The argument is not about exclusivity (to Apple or anyone else), but rather origins: the Internet is non-exclusive, but (D)ARPA funded its creation. Anyone can receive GPS signals, but it's run by the US government. Silicon Valley itself is a product of Cold War government spending: * https://steveblank.com/secret-history/ https://steveblank.com/secret-history/

FirmwareBurner 3y ago

>Mazzucato has an entire chapter in her book on the iPhone and all the tech that was originally government-funded: There was nothing special technologically about the first iPhone hardware. It was built using the same commercial of-the-shelf parts that the likes of Samsung, Blackberry Nokia and Ericsson also had access to. Apple didn't use some secret top US tech for it, just the software and UX was ahead of the competition, but the hardware was basic.

throw0101b 3y ago
> It was built using the same commercial of-the-shelf parts that the likes of Samsung, Blackberry Nokia and Ericsson also had access to. Touch screens were developed from government-funded research. Tech like Siri was developed from government-funded research (CALO project). ARM was developed for the BBC Micro; BBC is government-funded. GPS is government run. The Internet was a government research network originally. Apple itself got money from the US government’s Small Business Investment Company: * https://www.forbes.com/sites/deborahsweeney/2018/09/04/not-just-for-small-businesses-how-the-sba-helped-grow-3-major-companies/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/deborahsweeney/2018/09/04/not-j...
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago
  >Touch screens were developed from government-funded research. Sure but they weren't an Apple classified exclusive tech, but was commercially accessible to all phone makers.
  - throw0101b 3y ago
    > Sure but they weren't an Apple classified exclusive tech, but was commercially accessible to all phone makers. The argument is not about exclusivity (to Apple or anyone else), but rather origins: the Internet is non-exclusive, but (D)ARPA funded its creation. Anyone can receive GPS signals, but it's run by the US government. Silicon Valley itself is a product of Cold War government spending: * https://steveblank.com/secret-history/ https://steveblank.com/secret-history/