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> It’s interesting to see how Nokia succumbed to the bad strategy that had almost killed Apple in ‘97. Well, here is one take; > Nokia’s ultimate fall can be
by kakoni 3y ago
> It’s interesting to see how Nokia succumbed to the bad strategy that had almost killed Apple in ‘97.
Well, here is one take;
> Nokia’s ultimate fall can be put down to internal politics. In short, Nokia people weakened Nokia people and thus made the company increasingly vulnerable to competitive forces. When fear permeated all levels, the lower rungs of the organisation turned inward to protect resources, themselves and their units, giving little away, fearing harm to their personal careers. Top managers failed to motivate the middle managers with their heavy-handed approaches and they were in the dark with what was really going on. [1]
[1] https://alumnimagazine.insead.edu/who-killed-nokia-nokia-did/ https://alumnimagazine.insead.edu/who-killed-nokia-nokia-did...
- Mountain_Skies 3y agoFunny how well that applies to Microsoft and its internal battle over UI layers for the past two decades.
- Erratic6576 3y agoI like to think that it was Microsoft which destroyed Nokia from the inside in order to make Windows phone great at last https://slate.com/technology/2013/09/microsoft-nokia-deal-a-great-idea-that-came-too-late-and-killed-windows.html https://slate.com/technology/2013/09/microsoft-nokia-deal-a-...
- madeofpalk 3y agoNokia was dead long before Microsoft thought about buying them.
- jbverschoor 3y agoNokia was long gone when they were acquired. They were beaten by RIM/BB They tried gaming, didn’t succeed. Later on messaging, but didn’t have the platform (ping)
- secondcoming 3y agoBlackberry come nowhere close to beating Nokia. It was Apple.
- ifwinterco 3y agoIn the UK there was a brief period from 2009-2011 where everyone seemed to replace their Nokia with a Blackberry before iPhones became common (BBM was a big thing)
- midasuni 3y agoBBM was big and blamed for the london riots in 2011 https://www.theguardian.com/media/2011/aug/08/london-riots-facebook-twitter-blackberry https://www.theguardian.com/media/2011/aug/08/london-riots-f... https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/blackberry/8688651/London-riots-how-BlackBerry-Messenger-has-been-used-to-plan-two-nights-of-looting.html https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/blackberry/8688651/Lo...
- HeckFeck 3y agoI can remember one Christmas, perhaps 2010, where my Facebook feed was just folks posting their BBM pins. Ah, what a throwback. In retrospect, a better idea than giving out your phone number as WhatsApp requires. And indeed, people were more willing to share BBM pins than phone numbers.
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- jbverschoor 3y agoIn the UK + US they did.. In the EU, Nokia was king, but there were many other brands and OSes (windows mobile). Japan always had a different market though. Nokia was still a large player, but was loosing ground. Android at the time (the betas) resembled blackberry, and didn't feature any touch capabilities. Right after the iPhone was released, Android changed its UI.
- mikko-apo 3y agoNokia's then CEO's Elop's "burning platform" memo leak in 2011 seemed to hurt Nokia a lot by painting their existing and upcoming phones as inferior. > I have learned that we are standing on a burning platform. https://www.engadget.com/2011-02-08-nokia-ceo-stephen-elop-rallies-troops-in-brutally-honest-burnin.html https://www.engadget.com/2011-02-08-nokia-ceo-stephen-elop-r...
- vdaea 3y agoWhich is what they were. It's 2024 and Android phones still don't hold a candle to Apple phones...
- kurkkumopo 3y agoKaraportti 4 lyfe
- justsomehnguy 3y agoBy the time of Elop's memo Nokia was already in the death spiral: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35030334 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35030334
- squarefoot 3y agoWell, the Linux based Maemo OS I had in 2005 0r 2006 on my Nokia 770 was already promising, although the hardware was quite slow and limited, but it was an open system one would have root access to out of the box. Then it evolved into Meego, which was even better and was then employed by the Nokia N9. Nokia already had the OS to transition to from the old Symbian, but after the Microsoft deal, they scrapped it to adopt Windows Mobile, and the rest is history. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_770_Internet_Tablet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_770_Internet_Tablet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MeeGo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MeeGo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N9 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N9
- Zigurd 3y agoMaemo and MeeGo and other Nokia OSs were more coherent than Microsoft's phone OSs at the time, and Symbian would have had a long life on cheap devices. Smartphones were expensive back then.
- panick21_ 3y agoNot really. It was the Nokia board that wanted to be taken over. They were looking for a mark, and Microsoft walked right into it. Nokia dropped the phone division on Microsoft and Microsoft then had to write it down.