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For what it’s worth, I agree with your second paragraph. But it would take legislation to enforce that. For now, it’s unclear that OpenAI will lose. Quite the o

For what it’s worth, I agree with your second paragraph. But it would take legislation to enforce that. For now, it’s unclear that OpenAI will lose. Quite the opposite; I’ve spoken with a few lawyers who believe OpenAI is on solid legal footing, because all that matters is whether the model’s output is infringing. And it’s not. No one reads books via ChatGPT, and Dalle 3 has tight controls preventing it from generating Pokémon or Mario. All outcomes suck. The trick is to find the outcome that sucks the least for the majority of people. Maybe the needs of copyright holders will outweigh the needs of open source, but it’s basically guaranteed that open source ML will die if your first paragraph comes true.

dr_dshiv 3y ago
Proposal: revenue from Generative AI should be taxed 10% for an international endowment for the arts. In exchange, copyright claims are settled.
- Filligree 3y ago
  With a minimum rate, such that no-one can pretend they’re getting no income from it. We might apply that as a $5000 or so surcharge on AI accelerators capable of running the models, such as the 4090.
dkjaudyeqooe 3y ago
> But it would take legislation to enforce that. Absolutely true. That's the end game and we should be working toward influencing that. It's within our power. > I’ve spoken with a few lawyers who believe OpenAI is on solid legal footing No one knows anything, this is too novel, and even if OpenAI gets some fair use ruling, it will be inequitable and legislation is inevitable. OpenAI is between a rock and a hard place here. If you read the basis for fair use and give each aspect serious consideration, as a judge should do, I can't see it passing fair use muster. It's not a case of simply reproducing work, which in unclear here, it's the negative effect on copyright holders, and that effect is undeniable. > All outcomes suck. I don't think so. It's possible to fashion something equitable, but people other than the corporations have to get involved.

dr_dshiv 3y ago

Proposal: revenue from Generative AI should be taxed 10% for an international endowment for the arts. In exchange, copyright claims are settled.

Filligree 3y ago
With a minimum rate, such that no-one can pretend they’re getting no income from it. We might apply that as a $5000 or so surcharge on AI accelerators capable of running the models, such as the 4090.

dkjaudyeqooe 3y ago

> But it would take legislation to enforce that. Absolutely true. That's the end game and we should be working toward influencing that. It's within our power. > I’ve spoken with a few lawyers who believe OpenAI is on solid legal footing No one knows anything, this is too novel, and even if OpenAI gets some fair use ruling, it will be inequitable and legislation is inevitable. OpenAI is between a rock and a hard place here. If you read the basis for fair use and give each aspect serious consideration, as a judge should do, I can't see it passing fair use muster. It's not a case of simply reproducing work, which in unclear here, it's the negative effect on copyright holders, and that effect is undeniable. > All outcomes suck. I don't think so. It's possible to fashion something equitable, but people other than the corporations have to get involved.