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> "How much of the work will you use?" - All of it That depends on the interpretation of "use", and it would be interesting to read what lawyers think. You lea

> "How much of the work will you use?" - All of it That depends on the interpretation of "use", and it would be interesting to read what lawyers think. You learned the language largely from speech and copyrighted works. (All the stories, books, movies, etc. you ever read/heard) When you wrote this comment did you use all of them for that purpose? Is the case of AI different? To be clear that's a rhetorical question - I don't expect anyone here to actually have a convincing enough argument either way.

JoshTriplett 3y ago
Principles applied to human brains are not automatically applicable to AI training. To the best of my knowledge, there's no particular law that says a human brain is exempt from copyright, but it empirically is, because the alternative would be utterly unreasonable. No such exemption exists for AI training, nor should it. Ideas/works/etc literally live rent-free in your head. That doesn't mean they should live rent-free in an AI's neural network. Changing that should involve actually reducing or eliminating copyright, for everyone, not giving a special pass to AI.
- JAlexoid 3y ago
  > To the best of my knowledge, there's no particular law that says a human brain is exempt from copyright, but it empirically is, because the alternative would be utterly unreasonable. Human brain most definitely is not exempt. If you read Lord of the Rings and then write down a new book, with the same characters and same story line - that's plain copying(lookup the etymology of the verb to copy). If you look at a painting and paint a very similar painting - that's still copying. Human brains are the reason we have copyright. Your recital of passages from any copyrighted book would violate the copyright, if not for fair use doctrine. And it has nothing to do with whether you do it yourself, or have a TTS engine produce the sound.
  - JoshTriplett 3y ago
    The human brain is absolutely exempt, insofar as the copy stored in your brain does not make your brain subject to copyright, even if a subsequent work you produce might be. Nobody's filing copyright infringement claims over people's memories in and of themselves. I'm saying that AI does not and should not automatically get the exception that a human brain does.

JoshTriplett 3y ago

Principles applied to human brains are not automatically applicable to AI training. To the best of my knowledge, there's no particular law that says a human brain is exempt from copyright, but it empirically is, because the alternative would be utterly unreasonable. No such exemption exists for AI training, nor should it. Ideas/works/etc literally live rent-free in your head. That doesn't mean they should live rent-free in an AI's neural network. Changing that should involve actually reducing or eliminating copyright, for everyone, not giving a special pass to AI.

JAlexoid 3y ago
> To the best of my knowledge, there's no particular law that says a human brain is exempt from copyright, but it empirically is, because the alternative would be utterly unreasonable. Human brain most definitely is not exempt. If you read Lord of the Rings and then write down a new book, with the same characters and same story line - that's plain copying(lookup the etymology of the verb to copy). If you look at a painting and paint a very similar painting - that's still copying. Human brains are the reason we have copyright. Your recital of passages from any copyrighted book would violate the copyright, if not for fair use doctrine. And it has nothing to do with whether you do it yourself, or have a TTS engine produce the sound.
- JoshTriplett 3y ago
  The human brain is absolutely exempt, insofar as the copy stored in your brain does not make your brain subject to copyright, even if a subsequent work you produce might be. Nobody's filing copyright infringement claims over people's memories in and of themselves. I'm saying that AI does not and should not automatically get the exception that a human brain does.