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If AMDs version of “asleep at the wheel” is them eating Intels lunch for the last few years, I’d hate to see them awake. Intel is weak, and it’s much smarter t

If AMDs version of “asleep at the wheel” is them eating Intels lunch for the last few years, I’d hate to see them awake. Intel is weak, and it’s much smarter to put resources into squeezing Intel while they are on the ropes than shift too much focus to ML.

namlem 3y ago
Yeah exactly. AMD has other markets to compete in. Their desktop, laptop, and handheld offerings are incredible right now. I assume they are also going to replace Nvidia for the Switch 2.
- philistine 3y ago
  Nope. Nintendo is sticking with Nvidia. I'll eat my hat if they don't.
  - whaleofatw2022 3y ago
    It would be just a little surprising, since so far they have a pretty bad track record with 3rd parties.
    - paulmd 3y ago
      Says who, Charlie demerjian and circa-2010 AMD fanboys echoing him? Things like Bumpgate as a major social media mindshare thing largely stem from him and his coverage. And he leaves off the part where AMD gpus were failing too (because of the same RoHS-compliant solder) and where apple kinda wanted to part ways anyway because they saw the “platform” nvidia was building and didn’t want any part of it on macOS… game knows game. https://blog.greggant.com/posts/2021/10/13/apple-vs-nvidia-what-happened.html https://blog.greggant.com/posts/2021/10/13/apple-vs-nvidia-w... That’s the problem is like the evga thing there is a distinctly contemporary take and that’s shaped by people like Charlie, and then there’s the take with the benefit of a couple years of hindsight and maybe it wasn’t exactly the way the bunnyman said it was. Maybe apple didn’t want CUDA usurping them, and maybe apple wanted to leave the way clear for the pivot to apple silicon and metal and the platform Apple wanted to build there. The problem is the AMD fanboys are just as noxious today and - just like the evga thing - it’s gonna take years before people are willing to re-evaluate things fairly. https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/xgn7do/we_need_more_context_on_evga_and_its_ceo/ https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/xgn7do/we_need_more... https://youtu.be/vyQxNN9EF3w?t=5044 https://youtu.be/vyQxNN9EF3w?t=5044 There’s a little backstory like this behind almost all of the AMD fanboy “lore” around nvidia. Crysis 2 was never a thing either - the whole point of wireframe mode is seeing the full geometry at maximum LOD, with no culling, for example, and it does not happen during actual gameplay. nvidia never “sold directly to miners”, tech media didn't actually read the RBS article they were citing and it doesn't say what they say it says. NVIDIA "recently said they're completely an AI company now" stories a few months ago was a quote from 2015. Etc. There's just a group of people who just get off on hating and they don't mind making shit up if that's what it takes. It's essentially impossible to unwind the popular opinion of NVIDIA from this ridiculous amount of past-hate... yeah, after 30 years of blood libel from ATI fanatics they probably do have an overall negative public opinion! People know the stories are true, because NVIDIA is bad, because there's all these stories, so they must be true.
FredPret 3y ago
I’m talking GPUs, not CPUs.
- ptero 3y ago
  And he is saying AMD focusing on non-GPU markets and going from being a laughable underdog to a powerhouse hardly qualifies as "being asleep at the wheel".
  - FredPret 3y ago
    Alright, fair point, but that is also why they missed out on the AI boom.
    - iraqmtpizza 3y ago
      As if it was just there for the taking. AMD doesn't have the money to do what Nvidia does
      - FredPret 3y ago
        Yes they do. They were in the same ballpark until the past coupld of quarters. Nvidia laid the groundwork for this ages ago by developing drivers that play nice with NN. AMD could easily have done the same at the time, and can do so now. Even if it costs $1b-$10b to do it, AMD can afford it and it’s worth doing. They’ve got $55b in equity, and a huge $280b market cap to issue more stock into. [https:valustox.com/AMD]
        caeril 3y ago
        I dunno, man. They're releasing APUs with tensor cores right now. They're finally getting their dogshit ROCm drivers fixed right now. Yes, they're late. But they're definitely playing. This whole "asleep at the wheel" thing may have been true a year ago, but it's not true now. [edit] Apologies, responded to the wrong comment, but I'll leave it here anyway.
        3y ago
vGPU 3y ago
The most amazing thing about their current offerings is that they haven’t screwed them up yet. AMD has a looooong history of seemingly deliberately shooting themselves in the foot every time they get ahead.

namlem 3y ago

Yeah exactly. AMD has other markets to compete in. Their desktop, laptop, and handheld offerings are incredible right now. I assume they are also going to replace Nvidia for the Switch 2.

philistine 3y ago
Nope. Nintendo is sticking with Nvidia. I'll eat my hat if they don't.
- whaleofatw2022 3y ago
  It would be just a little surprising, since so far they have a pretty bad track record with 3rd parties.
  - paulmd 3y ago
    Says who, Charlie demerjian and circa-2010 AMD fanboys echoing him? Things like Bumpgate as a major social media mindshare thing largely stem from him and his coverage. And he leaves off the part where AMD gpus were failing too (because of the same RoHS-compliant solder) and where apple kinda wanted to part ways anyway because they saw the “platform” nvidia was building and didn’t want any part of it on macOS… game knows game. https://blog.greggant.com/posts/2021/10/13/apple-vs-nvidia-what-happened.html https://blog.greggant.com/posts/2021/10/13/apple-vs-nvidia-w... That’s the problem is like the evga thing there is a distinctly contemporary take and that’s shaped by people like Charlie, and then there’s the take with the benefit of a couple years of hindsight and maybe it wasn’t exactly the way the bunnyman said it was. Maybe apple didn’t want CUDA usurping them, and maybe apple wanted to leave the way clear for the pivot to apple silicon and metal and the platform Apple wanted to build there. The problem is the AMD fanboys are just as noxious today and - just like the evga thing - it’s gonna take years before people are willing to re-evaluate things fairly. https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/xgn7do/we_need_more_context_on_evga_and_its_ceo/ https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/xgn7do/we_need_more... https://youtu.be/vyQxNN9EF3w?t=5044 https://youtu.be/vyQxNN9EF3w?t=5044 There’s a little backstory like this behind almost all of the AMD fanboy “lore” around nvidia. Crysis 2 was never a thing either - the whole point of wireframe mode is seeing the full geometry at maximum LOD, with no culling, for example, and it does not happen during actual gameplay. nvidia never “sold directly to miners”, tech media didn't actually read the RBS article they were citing and it doesn't say what they say it says. NVIDIA "recently said they're completely an AI company now" stories a few months ago was a quote from 2015. Etc. There's just a group of people who just get off on hating and they don't mind making shit up if that's what it takes. It's essentially impossible to unwind the popular opinion of NVIDIA from this ridiculous amount of past-hate... yeah, after 30 years of blood libel from ATI fanatics they probably do have an overall negative public opinion! People know the stories are true, because NVIDIA is bad, because there's all these stories, so they must be true.

FredPret 3y ago

I’m talking GPUs, not CPUs.

ptero 3y ago
And he is saying AMD focusing on non-GPU markets and going from being a laughable underdog to a powerhouse hardly qualifies as "being asleep at the wheel".
- FredPret 3y ago
  Alright, fair point, but that is also why they missed out on the AI boom.
  - iraqmtpizza 3y ago
    As if it was just there for the taking. AMD doesn't have the money to do what Nvidia does
    - FredPret 3y ago
      Yes they do. They were in the same ballpark until the past coupld of quarters. Nvidia laid the groundwork for this ages ago by developing drivers that play nice with NN. AMD could easily have done the same at the time, and can do so now. Even if it costs $1b-$10b to do it, AMD can afford it and it’s worth doing. They’ve got $55b in equity, and a huge $280b market cap to issue more stock into. [https:valustox.com/AMD]
      - caeril 3y ago
        I dunno, man. They're releasing APUs with tensor cores right now. They're finally getting their dogshit ROCm drivers fixed right now. Yes, they're late. But they're definitely playing. This whole "asleep at the wheel" thing may have been true a year ago, but it's not true now. [edit] Apologies, responded to the wrong comment, but I'll leave it here anyway.
      - 3y ago

vGPU 3y ago

The most amazing thing about their current offerings is that they haven’t screwed them up yet. AMD has a looooong history of seemingly deliberately shooting themselves in the foot every time they get ahead.