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> Better lifestyle for whom? Racial minorities? For-profit prison slaves? Disenfranchised migrant laborers? "Commies"? Hollywood stars? If you are under the im

> Better lifestyle for whom? Racial minorities? For-profit prison slaves? Disenfranchised migrant laborers? "Commies"? Hollywood stars? If you are under the impression that communism didn't have "prison slaves" or gross mistreatment of ethnic minorities, then it seems pretty clear that their propaganda system was at least somewhat effective.

khzw8yyy 3y ago
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- lolinder 3y ago
  As OP says, in an attempt to be edgy you're just showing how effective Soviet propaganda was. Joseph Stalin alone signed off on multiple genocides [0]. Tatars, Cossacks, Ukrainians, Poles, Jews, there were plenty of ethnic groups that the Soviets identified as the enemy and purged or deported en masse. The US is far from perfect, but the whataboutism isn't very effective when Stalin alone has a body count numbered in the millions. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_the_Soviet_Union https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_the_Sov...
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    - candiodari 3y ago
      No, it takes the example a leftist poster gave, and pointed out that while the US was racist, the Soviet state was genocidal. The question being asked was "which was worse" and for this particular example, the Soviets were A LOT worse. Whataboutism is asking "what about" and take something unrelated. This is taking the exact example given by a commie and pointing out that leftist propaganda and reality were VERY different. And here you are ... defending the propaganda, demonstrating exactly what is going wrong here. There are actually some aspects of Soviet life where Western states were on the whole worse than Soviets (e.g. pure science education, or labor participation and independence for women) by current moral standards. But not many, and frankly, mostly not for good reasons. Of course we all know that this was true in nearly all cases. Obviously some Russians (e.g. state employees) had it better than some American groups. Although even there it turned out they often preferred American lifestyles.

khzw8yyy 3y ago

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lolinder 3y ago
As OP says, in an attempt to be edgy you're just showing how effective Soviet propaganda was. Joseph Stalin alone signed off on multiple genocides [0]. Tatars, Cossacks, Ukrainians, Poles, Jews, there were plenty of ethnic groups that the Soviets identified as the enemy and purged or deported en masse. The US is far from perfect, but the whataboutism isn't very effective when Stalin alone has a body count numbered in the millions. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_the_Soviet_Union https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_the_Sov...
- ebanez 3y ago
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  - candiodari 3y ago
    No, it takes the example a leftist poster gave, and pointed out that while the US was racist, the Soviet state was genocidal. The question being asked was "which was worse" and for this particular example, the Soviets were A LOT worse. Whataboutism is asking "what about" and take something unrelated. This is taking the exact example given by a commie and pointing out that leftist propaganda and reality were VERY different. And here you are ... defending the propaganda, demonstrating exactly what is going wrong here. There are actually some aspects of Soviet life where Western states were on the whole worse than Soviets (e.g. pure science education, or labor participation and independence for women) by current moral standards. But not many, and frankly, mostly not for good reasons. Of course we all know that this was true in nearly all cases. Obviously some Russians (e.g. state employees) had it better than some American groups. Although even there it turned out they often preferred American lifestyles.