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Every country needed their own microsoft or linux. They didn’t invest in that. What makes him think they will invest in AI which may even end up just being hy

Every country needed their own microsoft or linux. They didn’t invest in that. What makes him think they will invest in AI which may even end up just being hype. The fact that chatgpt can code was kind of unexpected. There still isn’t any reason to know weather it can code better economically.

FirmwareBurner 3y ago
>They didn’t invest in that. The US government also didn't invest in Nvidia (the early years anyway). Nvidia became dominant because of the private market, they struggled, fought off the likes of SGI, 3dfx and ATI/AMD to become the best at making GPUs for games and 3d applications for most of their lifespan. You can bootstrap or replace the private market in the beginning with government orders or funding for stuff like airplanes, ship, logistics, energy, defense, machining, but not for consumer tech. Other than US, and China a distant second place, no other country has the huge and wealthy avant-garde consumer market plus the VC sector the US enjoys in order to propel such companies out of scape velocity to global dominance. Even some European start-ups ignore their home markets and launch first in the US because the best VC funding is there and at launch you already hit 330 wealthy consumers curious about your product who all speak the same language. You can't forcibly replicate that anywhere else today no matter how hard you try.
- poisonborz 3y ago
  Creating the conditions - however indirectly - for an industry that could produce Microsofts and Nvidias is part of "investing in that"
- throw0101b 3y ago
  > You can bootstrap or replace the private market in the beginning with government orders or funding for stuff like airplanes, ship, logistics, energy, defense, machining, but not for consumer tech. Where do you think consumer tech comes from, except from initial government funding (often military-related). Mazzucato has an entire chapter in her book on the iPhone and all the tech that was originally government-funded: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Entrepreneurial_State https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Entrepreneurial_State * https://marianamazzucato.com/books/the-entrepreneurial-state/ https://marianamazzucato.com/books/the-entrepreneurial-state... Computer graphics is no different, with universities doing all sort of early work: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_teapot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_teapot * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_computer_animation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_computer_animation * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACM_SIGGRAPH https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACM_SIGGRAPH * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_computer_animation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_computer_animation What became CUDA (originally "Brook") was developed with government grants: > Ian Buck, while at Stanford in 2000, created an 8K gaming rig using 32 GeForce cards, then obtained a DARPA grant to perform general purpose parallel programming on GPUs. * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CUDA#Background https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CUDA#Background * http://graphics.stanford.edu/~ianbuck/ http://graphics.stanford.edu/~ianbuck/ From November 2008, "The history of CUDA": * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cmh1EHXjJsk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cmh1EHXjJsk
  - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
    >Mazzucato has an entire chapter in her book on the iPhone and all the tech that was originally government-funded: There was nothing special technologically about the first iPhone hardware. It was built using the same commercial of-the-shelf parts that the likes of Samsung, Blackberry Nokia and Ericsson also had access to. Apple didn't use some secret top US tech for it, just the software and UX was ahead of the competition, but the hardware was basic.
    - throw0101b 3y ago
      > It was built using the same commercial of-the-shelf parts that the likes of Samsung, Blackberry Nokia and Ericsson also had access to. Touch screens were developed from government-funded research. Tech like Siri was developed from government-funded research (CALO project). ARM was developed for the BBC Micro; BBC is government-funded. GPS is government run. The Internet was a government research network originally. Apple itself got money from the US government’s Small Business Investment Company: * https://www.forbes.com/sites/deborahsweeney/2018/09/04/not-just-for-small-businesses-how-the-sba-helped-grow-3-major-companies/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/deborahsweeney/2018/09/04/not-j...
      - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
        >Touch screens were developed from government-funded research. Sure but they weren't an Apple classified exclusive tech, but was commercially accessible to all phone makers.
        throw0101b 3y ago
        > Sure but they weren't an Apple classified exclusive tech, but was commercially accessible to all phone makers. The argument is not about exclusivity (to Apple or anyone else), but rather origins: the Internet is non-exclusive, but (D)ARPA funded its creation. Anyone can receive GPS signals, but it's run by the US government. Silicon Valley itself is a product of Cold War government spending: * https://steveblank.com/secret-history/ https://steveblank.com/secret-history/
tomjakubowski 3y ago
Which country is responsible for Linux?
- titaniumtown 3y ago
  finland?!?

FirmwareBurner 3y ago

>They didn’t invest in that. The US government also didn't invest in Nvidia (the early years anyway). Nvidia became dominant because of the private market, they struggled, fought off the likes of SGI, 3dfx and ATI/AMD to become the best at making GPUs for games and 3d applications for most of their lifespan. You can bootstrap or replace the private market in the beginning with government orders or funding for stuff like airplanes, ship, logistics, energy, defense, machining, but not for consumer tech. Other than US, and China a distant second place, no other country has the huge and wealthy avant-garde consumer market plus the VC sector the US enjoys in order to propel such companies out of scape velocity to global dominance. Even some European start-ups ignore their home markets and launch first in the US because the best VC funding is there and at launch you already hit 330 wealthy consumers curious about your product who all speak the same language. You can't forcibly replicate that anywhere else today no matter how hard you try.

poisonborz 3y ago
Creating the conditions - however indirectly - for an industry that could produce Microsofts and Nvidias is part of "investing in that"
throw0101b 3y ago
> You can bootstrap or replace the private market in the beginning with government orders or funding for stuff like airplanes, ship, logistics, energy, defense, machining, but not for consumer tech. Where do you think consumer tech comes from, except from initial government funding (often military-related). Mazzucato has an entire chapter in her book on the iPhone and all the tech that was originally government-funded: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Entrepreneurial_State https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Entrepreneurial_State * https://marianamazzucato.com/books/the-entrepreneurial-state/ https://marianamazzucato.com/books/the-entrepreneurial-state... Computer graphics is no different, with universities doing all sort of early work: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_teapot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_teapot * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_computer_animation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_computer_animation * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACM_SIGGRAPH https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACM_SIGGRAPH * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_computer_animation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_computer_animation What became CUDA (originally "Brook") was developed with government grants: > Ian Buck, while at Stanford in 2000, created an 8K gaming rig using 32 GeForce cards, then obtained a DARPA grant to perform general purpose parallel programming on GPUs. * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CUDA#Background https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CUDA#Background * http://graphics.stanford.edu/~ianbuck/ http://graphics.stanford.edu/~ianbuck/ From November 2008, "The history of CUDA": * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cmh1EHXjJsk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cmh1EHXjJsk
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago
  >Mazzucato has an entire chapter in her book on the iPhone and all the tech that was originally government-funded: There was nothing special technologically about the first iPhone hardware. It was built using the same commercial of-the-shelf parts that the likes of Samsung, Blackberry Nokia and Ericsson also had access to. Apple didn't use some secret top US tech for it, just the software and UX was ahead of the competition, but the hardware was basic.
  - throw0101b 3y ago
    > It was built using the same commercial of-the-shelf parts that the likes of Samsung, Blackberry Nokia and Ericsson also had access to. Touch screens were developed from government-funded research. Tech like Siri was developed from government-funded research (CALO project). ARM was developed for the BBC Micro; BBC is government-funded. GPS is government run. The Internet was a government research network originally. Apple itself got money from the US government’s Small Business Investment Company: * https://www.forbes.com/sites/deborahsweeney/2018/09/04/not-just-for-small-businesses-how-the-sba-helped-grow-3-major-companies/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/deborahsweeney/2018/09/04/not-j...
    - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
      >Touch screens were developed from government-funded research. Sure but they weren't an Apple classified exclusive tech, but was commercially accessible to all phone makers.
      - throw0101b 3y ago
        > Sure but they weren't an Apple classified exclusive tech, but was commercially accessible to all phone makers. The argument is not about exclusivity (to Apple or anyone else), but rather origins: the Internet is non-exclusive, but (D)ARPA funded its creation. Anyone can receive GPS signals, but it's run by the US government. Silicon Valley itself is a product of Cold War government spending: * https://steveblank.com/secret-history/ https://steveblank.com/secret-history/

tomjakubowski 3y ago

Which country is responsible for Linux?

titaniumtown 3y ago
finland?!?