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I'm not entirely serious here.. But isn't this kind of running Gentoo on top of Ubuntu? Having little experience with big deployments: Are people really prefe

I'm not entirely serious here.. But isn't this kind of running Gentoo on top of Ubuntu? Having little experience with big deployments: Are people really preferring to build from source to have the latest and greatest? I noticed that I stopped wishing for that a long time ago, when management (and building!) of these packages just felt too much of a burden, compared to potentially slightly outdated binary packages.

nacs 15y ago
Gentoo = Compile a whole OS (hundreds of packages) This = Compile a package (or 2 or 3) to get the latest A lot of distros package an older version of the software this thing lets you deploy (node.js on Ubuntu for example is at 0.49 on 11.x) so I had to compile 0.6 manually (and yes I know there are PPAs). I could definitely use this.
- darklajid 15y ago
  I wasn't being totally serious, of course. And I could nitpick that Gentoo has binary packages - build from ebuilds (which I tried to compare to these chef receipts, with a grin).
lnguyen 15y ago
It is a bit similar in concept to Gentoo but adds in a configuration management (CM) part. The current iteration doesn't take full advantage of the CM capabilities but we're working on it. As far as building packages as compared to installed the distribution binaries... I've run into issues where the binary package wasn't compatible with libraries and apps that I had to install outside of apt-get or yum. For instance setting up reasonably modern Rails configuration with all the gems I needed on a Ubuntu 10.04 server. I've also done builds and software configuration management for a living so the whole process is more like second nature at this point. What you do want to avoid is a constant cycle of having to upgrade and build existing and working environments just to have the latest versions. At that point you do need to step back and evaluate if it's really necessary (security, fix, etc.).
michaelmior 15y ago
I'd rather run tested software that someone else has compiled then build it myself just to get a slightly newer version. Older versions are generally safer to run as well since by virtue of their age they've been more tested with more bugs removed and security holes plugged.

nacs 15y ago

Gentoo = Compile a whole OS (hundreds of packages) This = Compile a package (or 2 or 3) to get the latest A lot of distros package an older version of the software this thing lets you deploy (node.js on Ubuntu for example is at 0.49 on 11.x) so I had to compile 0.6 manually (and yes I know there are PPAs). I could definitely use this.

darklajid 15y ago
I wasn't being totally serious, of course. And I could nitpick that Gentoo has binary packages - build from ebuilds (which I tried to compare to these chef receipts, with a grin).

lnguyen 15y ago

It is a bit similar in concept to Gentoo but adds in a configuration management (CM) part. The current iteration doesn't take full advantage of the CM capabilities but we're working on it. As far as building packages as compared to installed the distribution binaries... I've run into issues where the binary package wasn't compatible with libraries and apps that I had to install outside of apt-get or yum. For instance setting up reasonably modern Rails configuration with all the gems I needed on a Ubuntu 10.04 server. I've also done builds and software configuration management for a living so the whole process is more like second nature at this point. What you do want to avoid is a constant cycle of having to upgrade and build existing and working environments just to have the latest versions. At that point you do need to step back and evaluate if it's really necessary (security, fix, etc.).

michaelmior 15y ago

I'd rather run tested software that someone else has compiled then build it myself just to get a slightly newer version. Older versions are generally safer to run as well since by virtue of their age they've been more tested with more bugs removed and security holes plugged.