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Though would it be more correct to say we’re not increasing the energy in the atmosphere, but increasing its potential? Not nitpicking, I don’t know. Hate that

Though would it be more correct to say we’re not increasing the energy in the atmosphere, but increasing its potential? Not nitpicking, I don’t know. Hate that questions can be so loaded these days edit: Why the downvote? Sorry i'm not familiar with this..

AshleyGrant 3y ago
No, we're increasing the energy in the atmosphere since the atmosphere is holding on to more energy that previously would have escaped to space. We're not increasing the energy that's being inputted to the atmosphere, but increasing how much of that energy it retains, and thus how much energy is available for weather.
- unshavedyak 3y ago
  Is there a different wording for if we were to... i don't even know how to say it then, add heat? Ie if we could add a 2nd sun. If adding more blankets (as another commenter posted) is considered injecting heat, is a 2nd sun differently worded? Or are they scientifically equivalent, so wording doesn't really change?
klyrs 3y ago
Okay so if I put ten blankets on you, is it fair to say that I didn't cause you to overheat? After all the blankets were cooler than your body, it was the heat you emitted that caused them to warm up. Said a little different: solar warming due to the CO2 we put in the air is equally potential as if the sun will potentially produce solar radiation tomorrow.
- unshavedyak 3y ago
  > Okay so if I put ten blankets on you, is it fair to say that I didn't cause you to overheat? After all the blankets were cooler than your body, it was the heat you emitted that caused them to warm up. Maybe, but i don't read your example and the original statement the same. It was literally "Inject more energy into the system" - not just make me retain my own energy longer, but add heat - as with a heater, or something. Ie i wouldn't think you adding a blanket on me is "injecting heat into my body", but that's the root of my question - how adding heat vs reducing heat loss are scientifically similar, how they're worded, etc. Anyway i'm not trying to be difficult, i assumed the OPs wording was correct, i was just seeking understanding. Which was downvoted, oddly enough.
  - klyrs 3y ago
    Unfortunately, your participation here has been to ask a very naive question about a distinction without a material difference. While it is probably not your intent, your behavior is a little too close to that of a sea lion[1] which is probably explains the frosty reception of your question. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning
    - unshavedyak 3y ago
      Yea, that was my fear - and source of my meta-comment in the original post. TBH i should just avoid these discussions entirely. I've found GPT-likes to be very fruitful to ask questions where i'm too lacking in information to even adequately research it myself. Either way, appreciate your contribution to this little digression. Thanks for your time, have a great day!
      - klyrs 3y ago
        Cheers!
SllX 3y ago
It’s both. We’ve modified the gaseous mixture of the atmosphere to include a higher ratio of gases with greater warming potential and also converted matter which was stored in the ground to energy for our purposes, both increasing its stored energy potential and the amount of energy stored in both the atmosphere and the ocean, slowly warming both over time compared to before the Industrial Revolution. Also don’t worry about the downvotes. We can’t actually downvote direct responses to our own comments here, only upvote if we so choose, so I don’t know why you were downvoted either. If you participate with good faith in discussions, it’ll be apparent over time and it’s bad form (and counter to the guidelines, which I’m violating with this paragraph right now) to discuss voting in the comments.
- unshavedyak 3y ago
  > Also don’t worry about the downvotes. We can’t actually downvote direct responses to our own comments here, only upvote if we so choose, so I don’t know why you were downvoted either. If you participate with good faith in discussions, it’ll be apparent over time and it’s bad form (and counter to the guidelines, which I’m violating with this paragraph right now) to discuss voting in the comments. Hah, yea i'm familiar it's against guidelines. Though i'm always very curious, because often i can change my behavior to be better inline with what people expect. Asking ignorant questions here is a bit troublesome imo. I don't mind downvotes, i'd just love if people explained what they disagreed with - especially questions. /shrug

AshleyGrant 3y ago

No, we're increasing the energy in the atmosphere since the atmosphere is holding on to more energy that previously would have escaped to space. We're not increasing the energy that's being inputted to the atmosphere, but increasing how much of that energy it retains, and thus how much energy is available for weather.

unshavedyak 3y ago
Is there a different wording for if we were to... i don't even know how to say it then, add heat? Ie if we could add a 2nd sun. If adding more blankets (as another commenter posted) is considered injecting heat, is a 2nd sun differently worded? Or are they scientifically equivalent, so wording doesn't really change?

klyrs 3y ago

Okay so if I put ten blankets on you, is it fair to say that I didn't cause you to overheat? After all the blankets were cooler than your body, it was the heat you emitted that caused them to warm up. Said a little different: solar warming due to the CO2 we put in the air is equally potential as if the sun will potentially produce solar radiation tomorrow.

unshavedyak 3y ago
> Okay so if I put ten blankets on you, is it fair to say that I didn't cause you to overheat? After all the blankets were cooler than your body, it was the heat you emitted that caused them to warm up. Maybe, but i don't read your example and the original statement the same. It was literally "Inject more energy into the system" - not just make me retain my own energy longer, but add heat - as with a heater, or something. Ie i wouldn't think you adding a blanket on me is "injecting heat into my body", but that's the root of my question - how adding heat vs reducing heat loss are scientifically similar, how they're worded, etc. Anyway i'm not trying to be difficult, i assumed the OPs wording was correct, i was just seeking understanding. Which was downvoted, oddly enough.
- klyrs 3y ago
  Unfortunately, your participation here has been to ask a very naive question about a distinction without a material difference. While it is probably not your intent, your behavior is a little too close to that of a sea lion[1] which is probably explains the frosty reception of your question. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning
  - unshavedyak 3y ago
    Yea, that was my fear - and source of my meta-comment in the original post. TBH i should just avoid these discussions entirely. I've found GPT-likes to be very fruitful to ask questions where i'm too lacking in information to even adequately research it myself. Either way, appreciate your contribution to this little digression. Thanks for your time, have a great day!
    - klyrs 3y ago
      Cheers!

SllX 3y ago

It’s both. We’ve modified the gaseous mixture of the atmosphere to include a higher ratio of gases with greater warming potential and also converted matter which was stored in the ground to energy for our purposes, both increasing its stored energy potential and the amount of energy stored in both the atmosphere and the ocean, slowly warming both over time compared to before the Industrial Revolution. Also don’t worry about the downvotes. We can’t actually downvote direct responses to our own comments here, only upvote if we so choose, so I don’t know why you were downvoted either. If you participate with good faith in discussions, it’ll be apparent over time and it’s bad form (and counter to the guidelines, which I’m violating with this paragraph right now) to discuss voting in the comments.

unshavedyak 3y ago
> Also don’t worry about the downvotes. We can’t actually downvote direct responses to our own comments here, only upvote if we so choose, so I don’t know why you were downvoted either. If you participate with good faith in discussions, it’ll be apparent over time and it’s bad form (and counter to the guidelines, which I’m violating with this paragraph right now) to discuss voting in the comments. Hah, yea i'm familiar it's against guidelines. Though i'm always very curious, because often i can change my behavior to be better inline with what people expect. Asking ignorant questions here is a bit troublesome imo. I don't mind downvotes, i'd just love if people explained what they disagreed with - especially questions. /shrug