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Good, so are you going to pay Apple twice? Once for creating the problem, and again when they develop the under-screen tech to fix it?

kstrauser 3y ago
Um, yeah? I bought my current laptop with the extra pixels at a time I needed a new laptop. If Apple comes up with a way to add more extra pixels by the next time I'm looking to buy one, I'll get that. The notch is an improvement over the old thick bezel design. Presumably they'll find an even better solution down the road. When they do, I'm not going to complain that they didn't jump forward to the currently nonexistent technology on the first iteration.
- pompino 3y ago
  It's called incremental innovation "this changes everything, again" (yawn!) , so they can slow talk you into opening up your wallet yet again. You can bet your bottom dollar if Apple saw a significant threat to their money maker, you'd see them eliminate the notch in gen 1 itself. Suddenly the "non existent" tech would magically appear.
  - arrowleaf 3y ago
    You seem to be thinking that Apple will introduce under-screen cameras next... I highly doubt that. Under-screen will never have the fidelity of a camera without layers of screen in front of it. If anything the notch's dead space will become physically smaller, with the visible notch staying the same size to provide 'dynamic island' functionality, like on the iPhones. I'd pay for that.
    - pompino 3y ago
      Competitors have already introduced it, but the quality is shit, so Apple having a higher bar for image quality isn't quite ready to introduce it. They have been hard at work though. https://www.patentlyapple.com/2023/12/apple-updates-their-under-display-camera-patent-to-protect-its-digital-filter-technology-that-reduces-image-distortion-caused.html https://www.patentlyapple.com/2023/12/apple-updates-their-un... https://9to5mac.com/2023/12/06/under-screen-face-id-2/ https://9to5mac.com/2023/12/06/under-screen-face-id-2/ https://www.macrumors.com/2023/12/06/iphone-under-display-camera/ https://www.macrumors.com/2023/12/06/iphone-under-display-ca...
  - pb7 3y ago
    I can't imagine how pissed you're going to be when they release a laptop that lasts 30 hours instead of 20 hours. Scammed again by evil Apple. :'(
    - pompino 3y ago
      The earth will thank you for creating more e-waste. /s Not sure what is so joyous about opening your wallets for Apple. Normally people want more for their money, not less.
      - M911T 3y ago
        It's up to people to judge how much their money is worth. You just have a different POV compared to others.
threeseed 3y ago
The under screen tech doesn't even exist in a product today. Did you want Apple to hold off on giving people extra real estate until that happened ?
- pompino 3y ago
  You've already accepted the premise that Apple is "giving" a feature to the customer, so there doesn't seem to be any room for a conversation.
- MikusR 3y ago
  Under screen cameras have been in mass produced devices for 4 years.
AvesMerit 3y ago
Apple added 74 px vertically and the notch lives entirely in that space. It's simply more real estate. What is the "problem" they've created? That's like complaining about my apartment coming with a balcony

kstrauser 3y ago

Um, yeah? I bought my current laptop with the extra pixels at a time I needed a new laptop. If Apple comes up with a way to add more extra pixels by the next time I'm looking to buy one, I'll get that. The notch is an improvement over the old thick bezel design. Presumably they'll find an even better solution down the road. When they do, I'm not going to complain that they didn't jump forward to the currently nonexistent technology on the first iteration.

pompino 3y ago
It's called incremental innovation "this changes everything, again" (yawn!) , so they can slow talk you into opening up your wallet yet again. You can bet your bottom dollar if Apple saw a significant threat to their money maker, you'd see them eliminate the notch in gen 1 itself. Suddenly the "non existent" tech would magically appear.
- arrowleaf 3y ago
  You seem to be thinking that Apple will introduce under-screen cameras next... I highly doubt that. Under-screen will never have the fidelity of a camera without layers of screen in front of it. If anything the notch's dead space will become physically smaller, with the visible notch staying the same size to provide 'dynamic island' functionality, like on the iPhones. I'd pay for that.
  - pompino 3y ago
    Competitors have already introduced it, but the quality is shit, so Apple having a higher bar for image quality isn't quite ready to introduce it. They have been hard at work though. https://www.patentlyapple.com/2023/12/apple-updates-their-under-display-camera-patent-to-protect-its-digital-filter-technology-that-reduces-image-distortion-caused.html https://www.patentlyapple.com/2023/12/apple-updates-their-un... https://9to5mac.com/2023/12/06/under-screen-face-id-2/ https://9to5mac.com/2023/12/06/under-screen-face-id-2/ https://www.macrumors.com/2023/12/06/iphone-under-display-camera/ https://www.macrumors.com/2023/12/06/iphone-under-display-ca...
- pb7 3y ago
  I can't imagine how pissed you're going to be when they release a laptop that lasts 30 hours instead of 20 hours. Scammed again by evil Apple. :'(
  - pompino 3y ago
    The earth will thank you for creating more e-waste. /s Not sure what is so joyous about opening your wallets for Apple. Normally people want more for their money, not less.
    - M911T 3y ago
      It's up to people to judge how much their money is worth. You just have a different POV compared to others.

threeseed 3y ago

The under screen tech doesn't even exist in a product today. Did you want Apple to hold off on giving people extra real estate until that happened ?

pompino 3y ago
You've already accepted the premise that Apple is "giving" a feature to the customer, so there doesn't seem to be any room for a conversation.
MikusR 3y ago
Under screen cameras have been in mass produced devices for 4 years.

AvesMerit 3y ago

Apple added 74 px vertically and the notch lives entirely in that space. It's simply more real estate. What is the "problem" they've created? That's like complaining about my apartment coming with a balcony