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Extremely, extremely bitter note: how much all the diversity&inclusion is all talk and no show was on clear display when FOSDEM didn't have a mask mandate.

by chx 3y ago

swed420 3y ago
Definitely concerning to see how many have given up on avoiding a virus whose reinfections continue to disable and kill daily. Seems like boozing takes precedence over all else at this event. Edit for the unaware: https://www.thegauntlet.news/p/germany-entered-a-recession-last https://www.thegauntlet.news/p/germany-entered-a-recession-l...
- chx 3y ago
  The Gauntlet readers unite!
- samatman 3y ago
  COVID will be around for the rest of my life. I could choose to spend my remaining years wearing a mask, or choose to accept the risk. Those are the options. I choose the latter.
  - chx 3y ago
    The problem is if you are covid infected and not wearing a mask that creates a greater risk to the people around you even if they are wearing a mask. The choice to put others at risk shouldn't be yours.
    - belorn 3y ago
      People who who have cold symptoms should not participate in conferences at all. It just that everyone almost to no exception will ignore that and still go since they have already invested so much time and money going to Brussels. It the same problem with airports. Every person who is there with cold symptoms have decided that traveling that day is worth more than the risk of spreading illness to others. The big innovation during the covid pandemic was not masks, it was the cultural shift of people staying inside when they had cold symptoms. Sadly we are now returning back where it is totally fine to again have cold symptoms in public. That is the choice that shouldn't be theirs to make.
  - swed420 3y ago
    If you personally are well informed on the extent of the risks of endless reinfections, then you're in a minority but I agree that ought to be your choice to make, ideally. But most people don't even know that N95s offer excellent personal protection, and most people are surprised when they see how long the list of interconnected risks is. COVID-19 and Immune Dysregulation https://whn.global/scientific/covid19-immune-dysregulation/ https://whn.global/scientific/covid19-immune-dysregulation/ COVID Effects on the Brain https://whn.global/scientific/covid-effects-on-the-brain-a-summary-and-resource/ https://whn.global/scientific/covid-effects-on-the-brain-a-s... Sadly, capital doesn't want people informed because that's bad for our archaic consumption-first economy, so capitalist media reports accordingly.
    - tgsovlerkhgsel 3y ago
      > But most people don't even know that N95s offer excellent personal protection Exactly. So if you want to, wear one, don't insist that others do.
      - swed420 3y ago
        That was the gp that insisted that. I'm mostly just amazed at how many people don't even know enough to be making that informed decision. But yes, certainly just forcing the decision on them will backfire.
tgsovlerkhgsel 3y ago
Many people are completely sick of the precautions, in a world where if you want to live an even remotely reasonable social life you will get infected over and over: The cost of the countermeasures is seen as significantly worse than the cost of not taking them. At this point, imposing a mask mandate would likely exclude many more people than it would include. To my knowledge, no tech events have banned masks, so anyone who wants or needs to avoid this risk has the option by wearing a well-fitted mask or respirator. Insisting that everyone else does is ridiculous.
- chx 3y ago
  https://twitter.com/julia_doubleday/status/1758885227135479898 https://twitter.com/julia_doubleday/status/17588852271354798...
zilti 3y ago
The list of things that supposedly are required for "diversity & inclusion" gets more ridiculous by the day

Extremely, extremely bitter note: how much all the diversity&inclusion is all talk and no show was on clear display when FOSDEM didn't have a mask mandate.

by chx 3y ago

Extremely, extremely bitter note: how much all the diversity&inclusion is all talk and no show was on clear display when FOSDEM didn't have a mask mandate.

swed420 3y ago

Definitely concerning to see how many have given up on avoiding a virus whose reinfections continue to disable and kill daily. Seems like boozing takes precedence over all else at this event. Edit for the unaware: https://www.thegauntlet.news/p/germany-entered-a-recession-last https://www.thegauntlet.news/p/germany-entered-a-recession-l...

chx 3y ago
The Gauntlet readers unite!
samatman 3y ago
COVID will be around for the rest of my life. I could choose to spend my remaining years wearing a mask, or choose to accept the risk. Those are the options. I choose the latter.
- chx 3y ago
  The problem is if you are covid infected and not wearing a mask that creates a greater risk to the people around you even if they are wearing a mask. The choice to put others at risk shouldn't be yours.
  - belorn 3y ago
    People who who have cold symptoms should not participate in conferences at all. It just that everyone almost to no exception will ignore that and still go since they have already invested so much time and money going to Brussels. It the same problem with airports. Every person who is there with cold symptoms have decided that traveling that day is worth more than the risk of spreading illness to others. The big innovation during the covid pandemic was not masks, it was the cultural shift of people staying inside when they had cold symptoms. Sadly we are now returning back where it is totally fine to again have cold symptoms in public. That is the choice that shouldn't be theirs to make.
- swed420 3y ago
  If you personally are well informed on the extent of the risks of endless reinfections, then you're in a minority but I agree that ought to be your choice to make, ideally. But most people don't even know that N95s offer excellent personal protection, and most people are surprised when they see how long the list of interconnected risks is. COVID-19 and Immune Dysregulation https://whn.global/scientific/covid19-immune-dysregulation/ https://whn.global/scientific/covid19-immune-dysregulation/ COVID Effects on the Brain https://whn.global/scientific/covid-effects-on-the-brain-a-summary-and-resource/ https://whn.global/scientific/covid-effects-on-the-brain-a-s... Sadly, capital doesn't want people informed because that's bad for our archaic consumption-first economy, so capitalist media reports accordingly.
  - tgsovlerkhgsel 3y ago
    > But most people don't even know that N95s offer excellent personal protection Exactly. So if you want to, wear one, don't insist that others do.
    - swed420 3y ago
      That was the gp that insisted that. I'm mostly just amazed at how many people don't even know enough to be making that informed decision. But yes, certainly just forcing the decision on them will backfire.

tgsovlerkhgsel 3y ago

Many people are completely sick of the precautions, in a world where if you want to live an even remotely reasonable social life you will get infected over and over: The cost of the countermeasures is seen as significantly worse than the cost of not taking them. At this point, imposing a mask mandate would likely exclude many more people than it would include. To my knowledge, no tech events have banned masks, so anyone who wants or needs to avoid this risk has the option by wearing a well-fitted mask or respirator. Insisting that everyone else does is ridiculous.

chx 3y ago
https://twitter.com/julia_doubleday/status/1758885227135479898 https://twitter.com/julia_doubleday/status/17588852271354798...

zilti 3y ago

The list of things that supposedly are required for "diversity & inclusion" gets more ridiculous by the day