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They do have a "legal" and ethical right federally in the USA (some smaller jurisdictions have stronger rules but that's not typical). But perhaps you mean to a

They do have a "legal" and ethical right federally in the USA (some smaller jurisdictions have stronger rules but that's not typical). But perhaps you mean to argue they shouldn't have a legal right, or don't have a "moral" right. I have worked restaurants and believe that minimum wage should be meted out on a per-hour basis because of the way the current system mis-aligns incentives. The restaurant owner is encouraged to keep the restaurant open much later than "profitable" hours because the cost of the additional late-night hours is only $2.13/hour per employee. So if even one table comes in during the 11PM to 1AM hours, that breaks even for the business. The business owner benefits from externalizing the true cost of staying open for those hours onto the employees. The workers end up working a lot of no-profit hours. If they were making $7.25/hr then the incentives would be (more) aligned for them to keep working those hours. But currently this is NOT a legal requirement. So your statement "they have no legal right to slave wages to survive" drips with hyperbole.

lotsofpulp 3y ago
> But currently this is NOT a legal requirement It is in California, Oregon, and Washington. And probably a few other places in the US.
bena 3y ago
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    Then fair enough. However, there's no shame in the actual hustle. But that is what's happening in the tipping system. I'm not trying to start a flamewar. Accusing others of that is just as intellectually dishonest as you think I was. And inflammatory in and of itself. As to "you can believe what you want, but you're just wrong", is the belief that the incentives are misaligned. The cost to keep the kitchen open is prohibitive enough to not do it for the random straggler. You need better than half a customer an hour. Servers do not want tipping to end. They want to be tipped and to be prorated when they're not actively tipped. They want it both ways.

lotsofpulp 3y ago

> But currently this is NOT a legal requirement It is in California, Oregon, and Washington. And probably a few other places in the US.

bena 3y ago

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reaperman 3y ago
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- bena 3y ago
  Then fair enough. However, there's no shame in the actual hustle. But that is what's happening in the tipping system. I'm not trying to start a flamewar. Accusing others of that is just as intellectually dishonest as you think I was. And inflammatory in and of itself. As to "you can believe what you want, but you're just wrong", is the belief that the incentives are misaligned. The cost to keep the kitchen open is prohibitive enough to not do it for the random straggler. You need better than half a customer an hour. Servers do not want tipping to end. They want to be tipped and to be prorated when they're not actively tipped. They want it both ways.