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Hell, I worked at $retailer for a time, and even their statements were to "DO NOT ENGAGE SHOPLIFTERS". Worse yet, I can scarcely imagine some $12/hr being told

by pierat 3y ago

Hell, I worked at $retailer for a time, and even their statements were to "DO NOT ENGAGE SHOPLIFTERS". Worse yet, I can scarcely imagine some $12/hr being told to chase after shoplifters... That's gonna end up being shot or shivved. And frankly, there were times in which I saw people steal food. And in those cases, I never saw a thing! Especially when formula was being "acquired". One time, during Black Friday, someone stole a whole register full of cash. Again, not my job and not my problem.

TheCleric 3y ago
That’s because it’s a liability issue. Better to let someone steal a $100 item than get sued for $1000000 because an employee chased them into the parking lot and got stabbed.
cscurmudgeon 3y ago
You do realize that people who steal formula use it to cut drugs? https://city-attorney.columbus.gov/pdf/press/babyformulabandit.pdf https://city-attorney.columbus.gov/pdf/press/babyformulaband... There are a lot of organizations that give out formula for free but not at scale required for nefarious uses.
- willcipriano 3y ago
  Low income mothers can get formula from the government. https://www.fns.usda.gov/wic https://www.fns.usda.gov/wic It was probably all theft to exchange for drugs. During the pandemic there was a formula shortage and allowing theft rather than punishing it probably ensured some children went without unnecessarily.
  - pierat 3y ago
    Any means testing (and I do mean ANY) will always exclude people who have an actual need who'll never be able to get. And really, if 1 out of a thousand "cuts drugs" with formula, so be it. At least that's non-toxic... and frankly, laughable as DARE propaganda.
    - cscurmudgeon 3y ago
      Here is a list of places with free baby formula and stuff in the Bay Area most without means testing: https://www.211bayarea.org/sanfrancisco/food/food-programs/formulababy-food/ https://www.211bayarea.org/sanfrancisco/food/food-programs/f... https://www.needhelppayingbills.com/html/san_francisco_and_san_mateo_free_di.html https://www.needhelppayingbills.com/html/san_francisco_and_s... Just recently there was a baby formula shortage. And we were not prosecuting gangs stealing formula. Shameless and laughable. https://www.cdc.gov/nutrition/infantandtoddlernutrition/formula-feeding/infant-formula-shortage.html https://www.cdc.gov/nutrition/infantandtoddlernutrition/form... Edit: To person calling me a techbro below, I can't provide data for 1000s of cities in the US, genius. Feel free to do so. Non tech folks also live in the US (you would know if you live in the US). Also look up why we are discussing the Bay Area.
      - pierat 3y ago
        The Bay Area is not the USA, techbro.
        cscurmudgeon 3y ago
        I can't provide data for 1000s of cities in the US, genius. Feel free to do so. You provide data for zero other parts of the US. Non tech folks also live in the US (you would know if you live in the US). Also look up why we are discussing the Bay Area.
    - willcipriano 3y ago
      Half of infants born in the US receive WIC. Can't be that hard.
- amrocha 3y ago
  Look yourself in the mirror and tell yourself you honestly believe drug dealers are stealing formula to cut drugs with rather than mom's just need to feed their babies
  - cscurmudgeon 3y ago
    Maybe you should stop looking at yourself in the mirror and look at the data? As a parent, I feel people like you are the reason formula ends up being unavailable for real babies as you enable gangs to steal them driving up cost. Here is a list of places with free baby formula and stuff in the Bay Area: https://www.211bayarea.org/sanfrancisco/food/food-programs/formulababy-food/ https://www.211bayarea.org/sanfrancisco/food/food-programs/f... https://www.findhelp.org/goods/diapers-%26-formula--san-jose-ca https://www.findhelp.org/goods/diapers-%26-formula--san-jose... https://www.needhelppayingbills.com/html/san_francisco_and_san_mateo_free_di.html https://www.needhelppayingbills.com/html/san_francisco_and_s... One advice: Stop with harmful virtue signaling. It is easy to virtue signal like you do here with looking at any data or bearing any of the real cost of virtue signaling. I will repeat. People like you are the reason formula ends up being unavailable for real babies as you enable gangs to steal them driving up cost and causing shortages during real crises. As a parent this is frustrating and rage inducing. https://www.cdc.gov/nutrition/infantandtoddlernutrition/formula-feeding/infant-formula-shortage.html https://www.cdc.gov/nutrition/infantandtoddlernutrition/form...
    - phone8675309 3y ago
      How about we both: 1) Support low income people by giving them formula if they need it, AND 2) End the war on drugs and move people into treatment instead of the carceral slave system Sounds like a win-win.
    - kcatskcolbdi 3y ago
      >As a parent, I feel people like you are the reason... You must have missed the part of the post where they stated: >I worked at $retailer for a time, and even their statements were to "DO NOT ENGAGE SHOPLIFTERS". "People like [them]" are being told from their employers to not engage shoplifters.
- Spivak 3y ago
  I feel like that is the least committal press release that could exist about this topic. The police might be correct but the facts described aren't as clear cut as they're making it. > Wilson has a history of drug offenses: felony drug abuse, felony possession of cocaine, and possession of drug paraphernalia. "Offenses" is carrying the whole team here. All this says is that he was charged with the crime of doing drugs while black. I could have been arrested for all of these at one time in my life or another. Without a trafficking charge they're just speculating he might be a dealer. > While a black market exists for stolen baby formula to be resold for its intended purpose, reports indicate that baby formula also is used as a cutting agent for cocaine, heroin, and methamphetamine by drug dealers looking to dilute their product and stretch their supply. So he could be cutting drugs with it, or he could just be stealing it to sell directly. He even could even be selling it to actual drug dealers. Not saying that's better but the police kinda gloss over that as presented that's the more likely option. I promise I'm not trying to drag you or anything but I'm originally from Columbus and you have to take anything the CPD says with a shaker of salt. Columbus is a fairly boring city and so CPD always tries to punch up the stories.

by pierat 3y ago

TheCleric 3y ago

That’s because it’s a liability issue. Better to let someone steal a $100 item than get sued for $1000000 because an employee chased them into the parking lot and got stabbed.

cscurmudgeon 3y ago

You do realize that people who steal formula use it to cut drugs? https://city-attorney.columbus.gov/pdf/press/babyformulabandit.pdf https://city-attorney.columbus.gov/pdf/press/babyformulaband... There are a lot of organizations that give out formula for free but not at scale required for nefarious uses.

willcipriano 3y ago
Low income mothers can get formula from the government. https://www.fns.usda.gov/wic https://www.fns.usda.gov/wic It was probably all theft to exchange for drugs. During the pandemic there was a formula shortage and allowing theft rather than punishing it probably ensured some children went without unnecessarily.
- pierat 3y ago
  Any means testing (and I do mean ANY) will always exclude people who have an actual need who'll never be able to get. And really, if 1 out of a thousand "cuts drugs" with formula, so be it. At least that's non-toxic... and frankly, laughable as DARE propaganda.
  - cscurmudgeon 3y ago
    Here is a list of places with free baby formula and stuff in the Bay Area most without means testing: https://www.211bayarea.org/sanfrancisco/food/food-programs/formulababy-food/ https://www.211bayarea.org/sanfrancisco/food/food-programs/f... https://www.needhelppayingbills.com/html/san_francisco_and_san_mateo_free_di.html https://www.needhelppayingbills.com/html/san_francisco_and_s... Just recently there was a baby formula shortage. And we were not prosecuting gangs stealing formula. Shameless and laughable. https://www.cdc.gov/nutrition/infantandtoddlernutrition/formula-feeding/infant-formula-shortage.html https://www.cdc.gov/nutrition/infantandtoddlernutrition/form... Edit: To person calling me a techbro below, I can't provide data for 1000s of cities in the US, genius. Feel free to do so. Non tech folks also live in the US (you would know if you live in the US). Also look up why we are discussing the Bay Area.
    - pierat 3y ago
      The Bay Area is not the USA, techbro.
      - cscurmudgeon 3y ago
        I can't provide data for 1000s of cities in the US, genius. Feel free to do so. You provide data for zero other parts of the US. Non tech folks also live in the US (you would know if you live in the US). Also look up why we are discussing the Bay Area.
  - willcipriano 3y ago
    Half of infants born in the US receive WIC. Can't be that hard.
amrocha 3y ago
Look yourself in the mirror and tell yourself you honestly believe drug dealers are stealing formula to cut drugs with rather than mom's just need to feed their babies
- cscurmudgeon 3y ago
  Maybe you should stop looking at yourself in the mirror and look at the data? As a parent, I feel people like you are the reason formula ends up being unavailable for real babies as you enable gangs to steal them driving up cost. Here is a list of places with free baby formula and stuff in the Bay Area: https://www.211bayarea.org/sanfrancisco/food/food-programs/formulababy-food/ https://www.211bayarea.org/sanfrancisco/food/food-programs/f... https://www.findhelp.org/goods/diapers-%26-formula--san-jose-ca https://www.findhelp.org/goods/diapers-%26-formula--san-jose... https://www.needhelppayingbills.com/html/san_francisco_and_san_mateo_free_di.html https://www.needhelppayingbills.com/html/san_francisco_and_s... One advice: Stop with harmful virtue signaling. It is easy to virtue signal like you do here with looking at any data or bearing any of the real cost of virtue signaling. I will repeat. People like you are the reason formula ends up being unavailable for real babies as you enable gangs to steal them driving up cost and causing shortages during real crises. As a parent this is frustrating and rage inducing. https://www.cdc.gov/nutrition/infantandtoddlernutrition/formula-feeding/infant-formula-shortage.html https://www.cdc.gov/nutrition/infantandtoddlernutrition/form...
  - phone8675309 3y ago
    How about we both: 1) Support low income people by giving them formula if they need it, AND 2) End the war on drugs and move people into treatment instead of the carceral slave system Sounds like a win-win.
  - kcatskcolbdi 3y ago
    >As a parent, I feel people like you are the reason... You must have missed the part of the post where they stated: >I worked at $retailer for a time, and even their statements were to "DO NOT ENGAGE SHOPLIFTERS". "People like [them]" are being told from their employers to not engage shoplifters.
Spivak 3y ago
I feel like that is the least committal press release that could exist about this topic. The police might be correct but the facts described aren't as clear cut as they're making it. > Wilson has a history of drug offenses: felony drug abuse, felony possession of cocaine, and possession of drug paraphernalia. "Offenses" is carrying the whole team here. All this says is that he was charged with the crime of doing drugs while black. I could have been arrested for all of these at one time in my life or another. Without a trafficking charge they're just speculating he might be a dealer. > While a black market exists for stolen baby formula to be resold for its intended purpose, reports indicate that baby formula also is used as a cutting agent for cocaine, heroin, and methamphetamine by drug dealers looking to dilute their product and stretch their supply. So he could be cutting drugs with it, or he could just be stealing it to sell directly. He even could even be selling it to actual drug dealers. Not saying that's better but the police kinda gloss over that as presented that's the more likely option. I promise I'm not trying to drag you or anything but I'm originally from Columbus and you have to take anything the CPD says with a shaker of salt. Columbus is a fairly boring city and so CPD always tries to punch up the stories.