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The absolute worst example of this I have seen is the Tesla dashboard screen UI. It shows a car with labels on it, not buttons, that say "Open". That unambiguou
by rjmunro 3y ago
The absolute worst example of this I have seen is the Tesla dashboard screen UI. It shows a car with labels on it, not buttons, that say "Open". That unambiguously means that the particular part is open. But that's not what it means. The labels are in fact buttons to open the parts, and you have no way of knowing.
- dhc02 3y agoYes! I was just driving a borrowed Tesla this weekend and several times I had a moment of confusion/panic because I thought the trunks were both open.
- actionfromafar 3y agoCan someone make a car which has none of the complicated stuff? List of features I want: - automatic transmission (if ICE) - bluetooth and FM radio - no self steering - cruise control with "follow speed" - not-batshit-insane self-brake-system (use whatever Volvo uses, it works!) - good airbags and decent structural integrity - classic sedan height
- semi-extrinsic 3y agoOh look, it's the Dacia Sandero!
- toast0 3y ago> cruise control with "follow speed" If I'm reading you right, you want your car to follow the speed of the car in front of you? Usually delivered by radar assisted cruise control? That's complicated stuff, and you'll probably get lane keeping assistance too, because it's a package. At least on my car with lane keeping, there's a big button in the center console to disable it.
- thedanbob 3y agoThe last car I rented handled this package terribly. There was a way to disable the lane assistance, but it was a couple of steps and you had to perform them every time you started the car because it wouldn't remember your preference.
- ikealampe200 3y agoThis is not particularly advanced. Mercedes offers “Distronic” since 1999 and it seems Mitsubishi developed something similar even around 1992. [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adaptive_cruise_control https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adaptive_cruise_control]
- delecti 3y agoOh is that what "Distronic" does? I literally work there on a backend system that has that term for one of the features, and I've just never known. I always thought it sounded like something AV related (it sounded "disc" adjacent).
- samatman 3y agoIt is "disc" related, the discs in question are the brake discs.
- ChillyWater 3y agoOr, the system automatically keeps your car a specified distance from the vehicle in front of you.
- watwut 3y agoAdaptive cruise control is fairly standard these days, even cheaper cars have it. You can easily turn lane keeping assistance off in my car. I guess it is necessary, because lane assistance massively sux when there is reconstruction. They are not really the same hardware wise, one of them requires radar in front and other camera thingy for lanes.
- GeorgeDewar 3y agoThe lane keep assist in my 2017 Leaf is awful. If I used it, anyone would take me for a drunk driver as it drifts to the edge of the lane and then corrects endlessly. Thankfully it can be turned off, and it stays off.
- furyofantares 3y agoNo, you can't get a car with exactly the feature set you specifically want and nothing more. This is because other people want a different feature set. It's even true of things that are vastly less expensive to produce than a car.
- samatman 3y agoThis is true in general (for all feature sets anyone might want, there must exist a car with those features) but doesn't have to be true in particular (for a given feature set, there may exist a car with those features). I suspect you have no idea if OP's feature set is available on the market. I certainly do not.
- furyofantares 3y agoI would certainly be willing to bet there's nothing with speed-matching cruise control but none of the other features that depend on related sensors and software. Let alone one that also has the rest of the features and no more.
- superjan 3y agoThey won’t. The car maker has the Budget product and the Premium product. The car maker wants to justify a high price for the Premium product, so they put in all conceivable features, useful or not. What you want is a Decent product. If they add it to the product line, it would cannibalize sales for the premium product, so they gain nothing. For the same reason my wife’s Premium electric toothbrush has a color screen, shitty IOT bluetooth features and a terrible battery life.
- fckgw 3y agoAll these features are available in a base model $20k Hyundai Elantra though.
- fnimick 3y agoChevrolet Bolt EV? Physical buttons everywhere. No fancy features. It just works.
- Night_Thastus 3y agoMost cars have that feature list, as for the things you dont want, you can just toggle them off or not use them. Though sedans are a dying breed, so I'd get one sooner rather than later. Everyone and their brother wants SUVs/CUVs and sedan offerings are getting slimer by the month.
- kevin_thibedeau 3y agoDisabling a feature doesn't protect you from firmware bugs or higher repair costs from the more complicated hardware you have but are not using.
- Night_Thastus 3y agoIf you're not using the feature, then a bug in it would be hard to manifest. And as for the more complicated hardware, I am afraid that ship has sailed. Cars have become incredibly complex in the last couple of decades. They are covered in sensors and filled with computers to handle everything, from the injection of fuel and shifting to acceleration and braking to infotainment and climate control. If you want Cruise Control with distance following that means you get brake-by-wire and accelerator-by-wire with a computer making decisions about when to do both. You cannot eat your cake and have it too. If you want a simpler car, then look to the 90's - they still had computers, but obviously the technology was more limited. You won't get radar cruise control or much in the way of blutooth though, obviously. You can still have an automatic sedan with pretty good safety. (Not as good as modern, but decent)
- fckgw 3y agoYou're looking for literally any Hyundai, Kia, Toyota, Honda, Chevy or Mazda sedan. Hope this helps.
- mywittyname 3y agoAutomatic Emergency Braking and adaptive cruise are difficult features to avoid. The IIHS dings vehicle safety ratings if they do not have AEB. Because of that, even entry level vehicles like the Elantra have AEB. Almost every manufacture has committed AEB on their entire lineup.
- fckgw 3y agoThey said they want adaptive cruise control but not lane keeping. Most automaker allow you to disable the lane keeping if you want while keeping cruise (my Ford does this)
- watwut 3y agoHe asked for "no batshit insane" breaking system. Sane systems that engage only when it is truly last moment rather then overeagerly or randomly exists. My seat basically never breaks despite having the feature - because itnis setup for actual emergency. Plus, you can turn it off. You can always turn off lane control too.
- BobaFloutist 3y agoAre you sure AEB is what they consider batshit insane? They didn't say they wanted no self-braking, just for it to be at most moderately insane, no?
- stavros 3y agoMercedes A-class 2014 is this car.
- hbs18 3y agoYou've described a 15 year old BMW 3 Series.
- skydhash 3y agoThat's basically my 2001 Toyota Rav4 and my brother's 2010 Hyundai Creta.
- ZitchDog 3y agoYes, 100%! This is my second most frustrating UX gripe with the Tesla trunk UX - the first being the super long animation you have to wait through in order to open the trunk after putting the car in park. Overall tesla UX is miles ahead of other cars, but the little things like this are so frustrating!
- fnimick 3y ago> Overall tesla UX is miles ahead of other cars, but the little things like this are so frustrating! IDK, I prefer my boring old UX of 'physical buttons on a dashboard', plus it's a lot easier to interact with without taking your eyes off the road ;)
- amarant 3y agoHuh, I don't think it's confusing at all, the rendered car clearly shows the current state of the trunk, and when you push the open button, there's even an animation showing the trunk opening. To each their own I guess
- ljsprague 3y agoIs this peculiar to English? For instance, in Spanish, the verb and the adjective would be different words.
- bckygldstn 3y agoYes, it is unfortunate that in English the imperative conjugation ("open this door") is typically the same as the present participle verbal adjective ("this door is open"). In English you can also form an adjective from the past participle ("this door is opened"). Using "opened" resolves the ambiguity in one direction only: when you want the adjective. But when you want the verb you'd have to add context: perhaps "tap to open".
- ClassyJacket 3y agoI hate that damn "open" thing. The first time I saw it I thought I had left my boot open. All it needs is "Closed - tap to open"
- arximboldi 3y agoInteresting. This is a problem with the english language, where verbs and adjectives are often the same. It would not happen in Spanish, where "Abrir" (Infinitive) is different than "Abierto" (adjective). I guess this could be avoided by using "Do open" or "Is open". Would this sound off to a native speaker?