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Nah. No one will get arrested for even stealing $1000s of dollars of luxury items on camera (at least in CA, a trend setter for other states). https://amhsnew

Nah. No one will get arrested for even stealing $1000s of dollars of luxury items on camera (at least in CA, a trend setter for other states). https://amhsnews.org/10386/justice-awareness/shoplifting-the-rise-of-bay-area-bandits/ https://amhsnews.org/10386/justice-awareness/shoplifting-the... > On September 30th, 2023, Governor Newsom signed into law Senate Bill No. 553, essentially making it illegal for retail workers to confront looters, burglars, and shoplifters. > A Walgreens employee working in San Francisco told a reporter that thieves come around 15-20 times per day > any theft under $950 is only considered a misdemeanor, which means it doesn’t lead to anything punitive by law Edit: Present data countering the virtue signaling and get downvoted. Keep it up folks.

pierat 3y ago
Hell, I worked at $retailer for a time, and even their statements were to "DO NOT ENGAGE SHOPLIFTERS". Worse yet, I can scarcely imagine some $12/hr being told to chase after shoplifters... That's gonna end up being shot or shivved. And frankly, there were times in which I saw people steal food. And in those cases, I never saw a thing! Especially when formula was being "acquired". One time, during Black Friday, someone stole a whole register full of cash. Again, not my job and not my problem.
- TheCleric 3y ago
  That’s because it’s a liability issue. Better to let someone steal a $100 item than get sued for $1000000 because an employee chased them into the parking lot and got stabbed.
- cscurmudgeon 3y ago
  You do realize that people who steal formula use it to cut drugs? https://city-attorney.columbus.gov/pdf/press/babyformulabandit.pdf https://city-attorney.columbus.gov/pdf/press/babyformulaband... There are a lot of organizations that give out formula for free but not at scale required for nefarious uses.
  - willcipriano 3y ago
    Low income mothers can get formula from the government. https://www.fns.usda.gov/wic https://www.fns.usda.gov/wic It was probably all theft to exchange for drugs. During the pandemic there was a formula shortage and allowing theft rather than punishing it probably ensured some children went without unnecessarily.
    - pierat 3y ago
      Any means testing (and I do mean ANY) will always exclude people who have an actual need who'll never be able to get. And really, if 1 out of a thousand "cuts drugs" with formula, so be it. At least that's non-toxic... and frankly, laughable as DARE propaganda.
      - cscurmudgeon 3y ago
        Here is a list of places with free baby formula and stuff in the Bay Area most without means testing: https://www.211bayarea.org/sanfrancisco/food/food-programs/formulababy-food/ https://www.211bayarea.org/sanfrancisco/food/food-programs/f... https://www.needhelppayingbills.com/html/san_francisco_and_san_mateo_free_di.html https://www.needhelppayingbills.com/html/san_francisco_and_s... Just recently there was a baby formula shortage. And we were not prosecuting gangs stealing formula. Shameless and laughable. https://www.cdc.gov/nutrition/infantandtoddlernutrition/formula-feeding/infant-formula-shortage.html https://www.cdc.gov/nutrition/infantandtoddlernutrition/form... Edit: To person calling me a techbro below, I can't provide data for 1000s of cities in the US, genius. Feel free to do so. Non tech folks also live in the US (you would know if you live in the US). Also look up why we are discussing the Bay Area.
        pierat 3y ago
        The Bay Area is not the USA, techbro.
        cscurmudgeon 3y ago
supertimor 3y ago
God, this is such a tired take. I see it all the time, usually referencing how California is weak on crime, yada yada yada. California, in fact, has one of the lowest felony theft thresholds out of any of the states. In fact, it has the 10th lowest felony threshold in the union. [1] It was actually Oklahoma who started the trend to increase the felony threshold in the early 2000s. Newsom passed the bill you referenced so that minimum wage workers aren’t playing security for their employers. This bill did not raise the felony threshold. Do you want to know which states have the highest felony theft thresholds? It’s Texas and Wisconsin at $2500. In 2010, California went from a threshold of $400 to $950. In 2015, Texas went from a threshold of $1500 to $2500, so California’s threshold has always been much lower even in the recent past. [2] So no, California has not actually been any sort of trendsetter when it comes to felony theft thresholds, but it certainly is a convenient bogeyman. [1] https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/felony-theft-amount-by-state https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/felony-thef... [2] https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/issue-briefs/2017/04/the-effects-of-changing-felony-theft-thresholds https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/issue-bri...

pierat 3y ago

Hell, I worked at $retailer for a time, and even their statements were to "DO NOT ENGAGE SHOPLIFTERS". Worse yet, I can scarcely imagine some $12/hr being told to chase after shoplifters... That's gonna end up being shot or shivved. And frankly, there were times in which I saw people steal food. And in those cases, I never saw a thing! Especially when formula was being "acquired". One time, during Black Friday, someone stole a whole register full of cash. Again, not my job and not my problem.

TheCleric 3y ago
That’s because it’s a liability issue. Better to let someone steal a $100 item than get sued for $1000000 because an employee chased them into the parking lot and got stabbed.
cscurmudgeon 3y ago
You do realize that people who steal formula use it to cut drugs? https://city-attorney.columbus.gov/pdf/press/babyformulabandit.pdf https://city-attorney.columbus.gov/pdf/press/babyformulaband... There are a lot of organizations that give out formula for free but not at scale required for nefarious uses.
- willcipriano 3y ago
  Low income mothers can get formula from the government. https://www.fns.usda.gov/wic https://www.fns.usda.gov/wic It was probably all theft to exchange for drugs. During the pandemic there was a formula shortage and allowing theft rather than punishing it probably ensured some children went without unnecessarily.
  - pierat 3y ago
    Any means testing (and I do mean ANY) will always exclude people who have an actual need who'll never be able to get. And really, if 1 out of a thousand "cuts drugs" with formula, so be it. At least that's non-toxic... and frankly, laughable as DARE propaganda.
    - cscurmudgeon 3y ago
      Here is a list of places with free baby formula and stuff in the Bay Area most without means testing: https://www.211bayarea.org/sanfrancisco/food/food-programs/formulababy-food/ https://www.211bayarea.org/sanfrancisco/food/food-programs/f... https://www.needhelppayingbills.com/html/san_francisco_and_san_mateo_free_di.html https://www.needhelppayingbills.com/html/san_francisco_and_s... Just recently there was a baby formula shortage. And we were not prosecuting gangs stealing formula. Shameless and laughable. https://www.cdc.gov/nutrition/infantandtoddlernutrition/formula-feeding/infant-formula-shortage.html https://www.cdc.gov/nutrition/infantandtoddlernutrition/form... Edit: To person calling me a techbro below, I can't provide data for 1000s of cities in the US, genius. Feel free to do so. Non tech folks also live in the US (you would know if you live in the US). Also look up why we are discussing the Bay Area.
      - pierat 3y ago
        The Bay Area is not the USA, techbro.
        cscurmudgeon 3y ago

supertimor 3y ago

God, this is such a tired take. I see it all the time, usually referencing how California is weak on crime, yada yada yada. California, in fact, has one of the lowest felony theft thresholds out of any of the states. In fact, it has the 10th lowest felony threshold in the union. [1] It was actually Oklahoma who started the trend to increase the felony threshold in the early 2000s. Newsom passed the bill you referenced so that minimum wage workers aren’t playing security for their employers. This bill did not raise the felony threshold. Do you want to know which states have the highest felony theft thresholds? It’s Texas and Wisconsin at $2500. In 2010, California went from a threshold of $400 to $950. In 2015, Texas went from a threshold of $1500 to $2500, so California’s threshold has always been much lower even in the recent past. [2] So no, California has not actually been any sort of trendsetter when it comes to felony theft thresholds, but it certainly is a convenient bogeyman. [1] https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/felony-theft-amount-by-state https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/felony-thef... [2] https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/issue-briefs/2017/04/the-effects-of-changing-felony-theft-thresholds https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/issue-bri...