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The promise of salary work in America is such one sided bullcrap. Get paid the same amount of to get your work done no matter the time it takes. if it takes 6

The promise of salary work in America is such one sided bullcrap. Get paid the same amount of to get your work done no matter the time it takes. if it takes 6 hours or 12 hours, you'll get the same amount. But if you don't work at least 40hrs a week on salary, we're docking your pay. Oh but also, you don't get paid for any hours over 8 in a day. Salary!

danaris 3y ago
To be fair, it can also work out the other way, if your employer is decent. I'm on salary, and I'm only expected to get the work done that's on my plate, and respond to emails etc within a reasonable time frame (eg, if I get an email at 4pm on a Friday, and I don't respond to it till 11:30am Monday, that's fine so long as it's not an emergency). If I get my work done and there's still time in the day, I'm not expected to invent busywork for myself. But I do recognize that I'm extremely lucky to have the kind of conditions I do here.
bongodongobob 3y ago
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- square_usual 3y ago
  This comes up every time and it's just as stupid every time. I'm sorry you went through a terrible experience being a musician. That doesn't justify other people going through terrible experiences.
  - bongodongobob 3y ago
    I had a great experience as a musician, I made a decent living doing it. I didn't work too many hard or dirty jobs, just boring low skill jobs because I needed the flexibility. Most IT/office jobs are comparatively gravy any way you slice it. I'm just saying I have something to compare to rather than a lot of people here who probably interned at Google or MS and went off to make huge cash immediately.
- pixl97 3y ago
  Ah, Hello Mr Crab Bucket. Instead of wanting the world to be a better place for everyone, you instead want it to lower to your level of suck.
- InSteady 3y ago
  Children are starving in Africa so Americans who miss a few meals have no right to complain. Try starving in Africa for a few weeks then you'll be begging to come back and resume living paycheck to paycheck. /s
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strictnein 3y ago
> But if you don't work at least 40hrs a week on salary, we're docking your pay. I've never encountered such a system in my 20+ years being paid a salary. What companies do this? Worked for two European firms (including one very large one) and two large American firms during that time. Is it something small companies try to do?
- phone8675309 3y ago
  I worked for one of the largest firms in the US, and they required us to report our hours worked every week, docking us if we worked less than 40 hours.
  - therealdrag0 3y ago
    What’s their name
- fnordpiglet 3y ago
  It tends to be on the lower end of the salaried world and/or less desired employers. I think it’s also increasingly less common in general. But there are many companies that time clock their salaried professionals or require time sheets. For instance, as a higher end example, Goldman Sachs requires most employees to file a time sheet allocating their work to the nearest hour. The reality is people just put in 40 hours regardless, but depending on the line manager it can be more tightly controlled. In some operations roles where cost control is a big deal and hours are billed back to the upstream revenue producing departments, time sheets are scrutinized closely.
- PenguinCoder 3y ago
  Not sure if its something small companies do, but it certainly isn't something that only small companies do. I've worked for multiple in the Fortune 100 and 500 ranks, and each and every one of them do this. What companies have you been at in 20+ years that you have not experienced it at?
fnordpiglet 3y ago
Salaried used to mean you were paid a certain amount for working there and there was no accounting for time, vacation, or sick. It was the pinnacle of professional work, included two hour three martini lunches daily, and the ability to harass the hourly pool in various ways. Overtime and various other hourly worker protections led to more and more work being classified as salaried, and with it, a removal of the “perks” for most salaried people. Generally the primary perk that still follows salaried work though is the concept of vacation, sick time, and benefits albeit rationed and beancounted now.

danaris 3y ago

To be fair, it can also work out the other way, if your employer is decent. I'm on salary, and I'm only expected to get the work done that's on my plate, and respond to emails etc within a reasonable time frame (eg, if I get an email at 4pm on a Friday, and I don't respond to it till 11:30am Monday, that's fine so long as it's not an emergency). If I get my work done and there's still time in the day, I'm not expected to invent busywork for myself. But I do recognize that I'm extremely lucky to have the kind of conditions I do here.

bongodongobob 3y ago

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square_usual 3y ago
This comes up every time and it's just as stupid every time. I'm sorry you went through a terrible experience being a musician. That doesn't justify other people going through terrible experiences.
- bongodongobob 3y ago
  I had a great experience as a musician, I made a decent living doing it. I didn't work too many hard or dirty jobs, just boring low skill jobs because I needed the flexibility. Most IT/office jobs are comparatively gravy any way you slice it. I'm just saying I have something to compare to rather than a lot of people here who probably interned at Google or MS and went off to make huge cash immediately.
pixl97 3y ago
Ah, Hello Mr Crab Bucket. Instead of wanting the world to be a better place for everyone, you instead want it to lower to your level of suck.
InSteady 3y ago
Children are starving in Africa so Americans who miss a few meals have no right to complain. Try starving in Africa for a few weeks then you'll be begging to come back and resume living paycheck to paycheck. /s
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strictnein 3y ago

> But if you don't work at least 40hrs a week on salary, we're docking your pay. I've never encountered such a system in my 20+ years being paid a salary. What companies do this? Worked for two European firms (including one very large one) and two large American firms during that time. Is it something small companies try to do?

phone8675309 3y ago
I worked for one of the largest firms in the US, and they required us to report our hours worked every week, docking us if we worked less than 40 hours.
- therealdrag0 3y ago
  What’s their name
fnordpiglet 3y ago
It tends to be on the lower end of the salaried world and/or less desired employers. I think it’s also increasingly less common in general. But there are many companies that time clock their salaried professionals or require time sheets. For instance, as a higher end example, Goldman Sachs requires most employees to file a time sheet allocating their work to the nearest hour. The reality is people just put in 40 hours regardless, but depending on the line manager it can be more tightly controlled. In some operations roles where cost control is a big deal and hours are billed back to the upstream revenue producing departments, time sheets are scrutinized closely.
PenguinCoder 3y ago
Not sure if its something small companies do, but it certainly isn't something that only small companies do. I've worked for multiple in the Fortune 100 and 500 ranks, and each and every one of them do this. What companies have you been at in 20+ years that you have not experienced it at?

fnordpiglet 3y ago

Salaried used to mean you were paid a certain amount for working there and there was no accounting for time, vacation, or sick. It was the pinnacle of professional work, included two hour three martini lunches daily, and the ability to harass the hourly pool in various ways. Overtime and various other hourly worker protections led to more and more work being classified as salaried, and with it, a removal of the “perks” for most salaried people. Generally the primary perk that still follows salaried work though is the concept of vacation, sick time, and benefits albeit rationed and beancounted now.