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In reality.... If you steal $100 worth of food from a store, they'll call the cops and arrest you. If the store steals wages from you in the tune of $1000+, <

by pierat 3y ago

In reality.... If you steal $100 worth of food from a store, they'll call the cops and arrest you. If the store steals wages from you in the tune of $1000+, <POOF> its a.... CIVIL MATTER (waves hands).

wahnfrieden 3y ago
Which incident receives media coverage as it happens?
- pierat 3y ago
  Given the breathless reporting of "MAJOR CHAIN STORE SHUTS DOWN SINGLE BUSINESS DUE TO EXTREME THEFT", yeah. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/as-retailers-close-stores-due-to-shoplifting-are-the-concerns-real-or-overblown https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/as-retailers-close-stores-... https://www.npr.org/2023/09/28/1202264923/major-retailers-blame-theft-for-their-decision-to-close-locations https://www.npr.org/2023/09/28/1202264923/major-retailers-bl... https://www.cnbc.com/2023/12/19/target-store-closures-theft-and-crime-higher-nearby.html https://www.cnbc.com/2023/12/19/target-store-closures-theft-... https://www.cbsnews.com/news/target-closing-stores-2023-san-francisco/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/target-closing-stores-2023-san-... https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/26/business/target-retail-theft-store-closures/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/26/business/target-retail-theft-... https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/target-stores-theft-1.6979493 https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/target-stores-theft-1.69794... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11965589/The-stores-closed-doors-rampant-theft.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11965589/The-stores... ------------------------ However, on the actual wage theft side, is scattered articles about a single bad company, or policies from stuffy think tanks and "boring" and non-sensationalized sources. https://www.cohousedems.com/news/wage-theft-prevention-passes-house-committee https://www.cohousedems.com/news/wage-theft-prevention-passe... https://www.dir.ca.gov/DIRNews/2024/2024-10.html https://www.dir.ca.gov/DIRNews/2024/2024-10.html https://www.propublica.org/article/wage-theft-law-new-york-violators-doing-business https://www.propublica.org/article/wage-theft-law-new-york-v... https://blog.dol.gov/2024/02/07/protecting-workers-rights-at-the-super-bowl https://blog.dol.gov/2024/02/07/protecting-workers-rights-at... https://calmatters.org/politics/capitol/2024/01/wage-theft-california/ https://calmatters.org/politics/capitol/2024/01/wage-theft-c...
  - nullindividual 3y ago
    The Target store closings (in Seattle) were not due to violence/theft but rather a cost cutting measure; Target lied. https://www.cnbc.com/2023/12/19/target-store-closures-theft-and-crime-higher-nearby.html https://www.cnbc.com/2023/12/19/target-store-closures-theft-...
    - basil-rash 3y ago
      That article proves nothing of the sort. Shutting down stores that have too much theft is a cost cutting measure, and keeping stores open that have more theft but far more sales doesn’t invalidate it.
      - sleepybrett 3y ago
        I live two blocks from that store (the ballard one which was shut down). It was the worst targeted store i've ever seen. It was about 1/3 'groceries' while sitting within a block of two larger and cheaper grocery stores. All the stock that people would actually be interested in, home goods and the like (because the neighborhood lacks a store for that), were extremely thin on the shelves. Either because they didn't stock items are they were always sold out because they were meeting a neighborhood demand. Was there theft at that store.. I don't doubt it but never saw it in all the times i was in there searching, often without success, for some home item that would suit my place. It was just a bad target variant store that was plopped into the middle of a neighborhood that ended up being specialized in the wrong thing, if any target mucky muck had ever walked the neighborhood before putting the store in it could have been very successful (because we could really use a store where I can buy various home goods without jumping in my car and driving 10-15m).
        basil-rash 3y ago
        I lived in 65th for the first half of COVID, so I want to that Target moderately regularly. Yes Ballard Market had better groceries (among the best in Seattle actually), but I’ve never seen Target as a grocery store. For the home goods we needed it was adequate, though my roommates Amazon subscription had to fill in some gaps. To your point about it not having the items you needed, I wouldn’t be inclined to separate that from the theft problem. If your stuff keeps getting stolen, you’ll be inclined to stock less stuff, especially if you don’t have sufficient sales to afford retrofitting locking cabinets everywhere and staffing sufficient to tend to them all.
- commandlinefan 3y ago
  I think you're getting the wrong takeaway from OP's comment...
  - wahnfrieden 3y ago
    ?
cscurmudgeon 3y ago
Nah. No one will get arrested for even stealing $1000s of dollars of luxury items on camera (at least in CA, a trend setter for other states). https://amhsnews.org/10386/justice-awareness/shoplifting-the-rise-of-bay-area-bandits/ https://amhsnews.org/10386/justice-awareness/shoplifting-the... > On September 30th, 2023, Governor Newsom signed into law Senate Bill No. 553, essentially making it illegal for retail workers to confront looters, burglars, and shoplifters. > A Walgreens employee working in San Francisco told a reporter that thieves come around 15-20 times per day > any theft under $950 is only considered a misdemeanor, which means it doesn’t lead to anything punitive by law Edit: Present data countering the virtue signaling and get downvoted. Keep it up folks.
- pierat 3y ago
  Hell, I worked at $retailer for a time, and even their statements were to "DO NOT ENGAGE SHOPLIFTERS". Worse yet, I can scarcely imagine some $12/hr being told to chase after shoplifters... That's gonna end up being shot or shivved. And frankly, there were times in which I saw people steal food. And in those cases, I never saw a thing! Especially when formula was being "acquired". One time, during Black Friday, someone stole a whole register full of cash. Again, not my job and not my problem.
  - TheCleric 3y ago
    That’s because it’s a liability issue. Better to let someone steal a $100 item than get sued for $1000000 because an employee chased them into the parking lot and got stabbed.
  - cscurmudgeon 3y ago
    You do realize that people who steal formula use it to cut drugs? https://city-attorney.columbus.gov/pdf/press/babyformulabandit.pdf https://city-attorney.columbus.gov/pdf/press/babyformulaband... There are a lot of organizations that give out formula for free but not at scale required for nefarious uses.
    - willcipriano 3y ago
phone8675309 3y ago
> If you steal $100 worth of food from a store, they'll call the cops and arrest you. And if you're a person of color, if you try to pass a counterfeit $20 bill (unclear if you even know it's counterfeit) then the police just murder you and the person in charge of it gets a cheesecake sentence

by pierat 3y ago

wahnfrieden 3y ago

Which incident receives media coverage as it happens?

pierat 3y ago
Given the breathless reporting of "MAJOR CHAIN STORE SHUTS DOWN SINGLE BUSINESS DUE TO EXTREME THEFT", yeah. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/as-retailers-close-stores-due-to-shoplifting-are-the-concerns-real-or-overblown https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/as-retailers-close-stores-... https://www.npr.org/2023/09/28/1202264923/major-retailers-blame-theft-for-their-decision-to-close-locations https://www.npr.org/2023/09/28/1202264923/major-retailers-bl... https://www.cnbc.com/2023/12/19/target-store-closures-theft-and-crime-higher-nearby.html https://www.cnbc.com/2023/12/19/target-store-closures-theft-... https://www.cbsnews.com/news/target-closing-stores-2023-san-francisco/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/target-closing-stores-2023-san-... https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/26/business/target-retail-theft-store-closures/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/26/business/target-retail-theft-... https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/target-stores-theft-1.6979493 https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/target-stores-theft-1.69794... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11965589/The-stores-closed-doors-rampant-theft.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11965589/The-stores... ------------------------ However, on the actual wage theft side, is scattered articles about a single bad company, or policies from stuffy think tanks and "boring" and non-sensationalized sources. https://www.cohousedems.com/news/wage-theft-prevention-passes-house-committee https://www.cohousedems.com/news/wage-theft-prevention-passe... https://www.dir.ca.gov/DIRNews/2024/2024-10.html https://www.dir.ca.gov/DIRNews/2024/2024-10.html https://www.propublica.org/article/wage-theft-law-new-york-violators-doing-business https://www.propublica.org/article/wage-theft-law-new-york-v... https://blog.dol.gov/2024/02/07/protecting-workers-rights-at-the-super-bowl https://blog.dol.gov/2024/02/07/protecting-workers-rights-at... https://calmatters.org/politics/capitol/2024/01/wage-theft-california/ https://calmatters.org/politics/capitol/2024/01/wage-theft-c...
- nullindividual 3y ago
  The Target store closings (in Seattle) were not due to violence/theft but rather a cost cutting measure; Target lied. https://www.cnbc.com/2023/12/19/target-store-closures-theft-and-crime-higher-nearby.html https://www.cnbc.com/2023/12/19/target-store-closures-theft-...
  - basil-rash 3y ago
    That article proves nothing of the sort. Shutting down stores that have too much theft is a cost cutting measure, and keeping stores open that have more theft but far more sales doesn’t invalidate it.
    - sleepybrett 3y ago
      I live two blocks from that store (the ballard one which was shut down). It was the worst targeted store i've ever seen. It was about 1/3 'groceries' while sitting within a block of two larger and cheaper grocery stores. All the stock that people would actually be interested in, home goods and the like (because the neighborhood lacks a store for that), were extremely thin on the shelves. Either because they didn't stock items are they were always sold out because they were meeting a neighborhood demand. Was there theft at that store.. I don't doubt it but never saw it in all the times i was in there searching, often without success, for some home item that would suit my place. It was just a bad target variant store that was plopped into the middle of a neighborhood that ended up being specialized in the wrong thing, if any target mucky muck had ever walked the neighborhood before putting the store in it could have been very successful (because we could really use a store where I can buy various home goods without jumping in my car and driving 10-15m).
      - basil-rash 3y ago
        I lived in 65th for the first half of COVID, so I want to that Target moderately regularly. Yes Ballard Market had better groceries (among the best in Seattle actually), but I’ve never seen Target as a grocery store. For the home goods we needed it was adequate, though my roommates Amazon subscription had to fill in some gaps. To your point about it not having the items you needed, I wouldn’t be inclined to separate that from the theft problem. If your stuff keeps getting stolen, you’ll be inclined to stock less stuff, especially if you don’t have sufficient sales to afford retrofitting locking cabinets everywhere and staffing sufficient to tend to them all.
commandlinefan 3y ago
I think you're getting the wrong takeaway from OP's comment...
- wahnfrieden 3y ago
  ?

cscurmudgeon 3y ago

Nah. No one will get arrested for even stealing $1000s of dollars of luxury items on camera (at least in CA, a trend setter for other states). https://amhsnews.org/10386/justice-awareness/shoplifting-the-rise-of-bay-area-bandits/ https://amhsnews.org/10386/justice-awareness/shoplifting-the... > On September 30th, 2023, Governor Newsom signed into law Senate Bill No. 553, essentially making it illegal for retail workers to confront looters, burglars, and shoplifters. > A Walgreens employee working in San Francisco told a reporter that thieves come around 15-20 times per day > any theft under $950 is only considered a misdemeanor, which means it doesn’t lead to anything punitive by law Edit: Present data countering the virtue signaling and get downvoted. Keep it up folks.

pierat 3y ago
Hell, I worked at $retailer for a time, and even their statements were to "DO NOT ENGAGE SHOPLIFTERS". Worse yet, I can scarcely imagine some $12/hr being told to chase after shoplifters... That's gonna end up being shot or shivved. And frankly, there were times in which I saw people steal food. And in those cases, I never saw a thing! Especially when formula was being "acquired". One time, during Black Friday, someone stole a whole register full of cash. Again, not my job and not my problem.
- TheCleric 3y ago
  That’s because it’s a liability issue. Better to let someone steal a $100 item than get sued for $1000000 because an employee chased them into the parking lot and got stabbed.
- cscurmudgeon 3y ago
  You do realize that people who steal formula use it to cut drugs? https://city-attorney.columbus.gov/pdf/press/babyformulabandit.pdf https://city-attorney.columbus.gov/pdf/press/babyformulaband... There are a lot of organizations that give out formula for free but not at scale required for nefarious uses.
  - willcipriano 3y ago

phone8675309 3y ago

> If you steal $100 worth of food from a store, they'll call the cops and arrest you. And if you're a person of color, if you try to pass a counterfeit $20 bill (unclear if you even know it's counterfeit) then the police just murder you and the person in charge of it gets a cheesecake sentence