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Slaving: Not paying for work. Internships: some may be legit, most are slave labor schemes with many being deeply institutionalized in systems such as healthc

Slaving: Not paying for work. Internships: some may be legit, most are slave labor schemes with many being deeply institutionalized in systems such as healthcare and education. Lower than minimum wage with an expectation that tips will make up the difference (just be done with tipping, pay at least minimum wage, and raise food prices). Mistreatment

pitaj 3y ago
That is not the definition of slavery. Slavery is being forced to work.
- vaidhy 3y ago
  I would amend that slavery is being forced to work for a single person/corporation with a massive penalty for trying to change it.
  - mrangle 3y ago
    It deserves to be amended to a far greater degree than that, but also the above statement isn't relevant when there is only one "employer" available. Which has often been the case, historically, and maybe more so in the future.
- mrangle 3y ago
  Logically and morally speaking, if not semantically speaking given a logically and morally inadequate definition for a highly political word, that's completely false. Virtually everyone is forced to work, or face death. Being forced to work is the de facto human experience. Effectively, there isn't a choice to work or not. Presenting work as a choice is closely analagous to presenting eating as a choice Pay, or relative lack thereof, is what defines degree of slavery (complete or partial). The only real arguments being a.) if one is paid what the work is worth and b.) how much of that pay is retaken in the form of taxes (direct or indirect like when company towns, or estates, recoup most of the pay in the form of costs to the laborer). Therefore, we will add an additional form of enslavement process: purposefully (often illegally) diulting the value of labor so that it is cheaper. If a serf is "paid" but the boss and landlord recoups nearly all of that pay in rent and taxes, is the serf a slave? Few moral and logical people would say no. Slaver hand-waving deserves to be called out.
mrguyorama 3y ago
The tipping thing is insane. I live in a rather progressive city, very pro labor. Many local restaurants have added small fees to your bill, often called something like "living wage fee" or something similar, the implication being it's a fee to help improve the wages the staff get. Except it's a 3% fee! I'm paying $50 for steak, surely you can just freaking charge me $52 and pay the staff what they deserve?! Why all this nonsense around adding fees like you're the local cable company? You've spent more editing your printed menus to include this new disclaimer than it would cost to just pay your damn staff!
- staticfish 3y ago
  It's much more insidious than you let on. It's plain lying about the cost of the service (food in this case) so they get you in the door, then bait-and-switch you when you get the bill. Just a hunch, but I'm guessing you live in Seattle. I've been noticing the same thing all over, and honestly it should be highly illegal.
- mrangle 3y ago
  Wait until you find out how much of that actually makes it into the pockets of the servers.

pitaj 3y ago

That is not the definition of slavery. Slavery is being forced to work.

vaidhy 3y ago
I would amend that slavery is being forced to work for a single person/corporation with a massive penalty for trying to change it.
- mrangle 3y ago
  It deserves to be amended to a far greater degree than that, but also the above statement isn't relevant when there is only one "employer" available. Which has often been the case, historically, and maybe more so in the future.
mrangle 3y ago
Logically and morally speaking, if not semantically speaking given a logically and morally inadequate definition for a highly political word, that's completely false. Virtually everyone is forced to work, or face death. Being forced to work is the de facto human experience. Effectively, there isn't a choice to work or not. Presenting work as a choice is closely analagous to presenting eating as a choice Pay, or relative lack thereof, is what defines degree of slavery (complete or partial). The only real arguments being a.) if one is paid what the work is worth and b.) how much of that pay is retaken in the form of taxes (direct or indirect like when company towns, or estates, recoup most of the pay in the form of costs to the laborer). Therefore, we will add an additional form of enslavement process: purposefully (often illegally) diulting the value of labor so that it is cheaper. If a serf is "paid" but the boss and landlord recoups nearly all of that pay in rent and taxes, is the serf a slave? Few moral and logical people would say no. Slaver hand-waving deserves to be called out.

mrguyorama 3y ago

The tipping thing is insane. I live in a rather progressive city, very pro labor. Many local restaurants have added small fees to your bill, often called something like "living wage fee" or something similar, the implication being it's a fee to help improve the wages the staff get. Except it's a 3% fee! I'm paying $50 for steak, surely you can just freaking charge me $52 and pay the staff what they deserve?! Why all this nonsense around adding fees like you're the local cable company? You've spent more editing your printed menus to include this new disclaimer than it would cost to just pay your damn staff!

staticfish 3y ago
It's much more insidious than you let on. It's plain lying about the cost of the service (food in this case) so they get you in the door, then bait-and-switch you when you get the bill. Just a hunch, but I'm guessing you live in Seattle. I've been noticing the same thing all over, and honestly it should be highly illegal.
mrangle 3y ago
Wait until you find out how much of that actually makes it into the pockets of the servers.