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This sums up much of american rural small business... I started working at 12 and had many random jobs between 12-18 that were run by awful people. Our family

This sums up much of american rural small business... I started working at 12 and had many random jobs between 12-18 that were run by awful people. Our family has a small farm, my parents didn't think we did enough of that and put me in a white van full of migrant workers at 12 years old (hey the 80s!) to go pick produce in a field all day... It was grueling work but I got a first hand account of migrant farm workers and the way they are treated.

vdaea 3y ago
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- Cthulhu_ 3y ago
  This is a really shitty take. I don't think you're a decent person if that's how you truly feel.
  - brvsft 3y ago
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    - Cheer2171 3y ago
      What about the topic of this thread: wage theft? Should migrants have less rights to the product of their own labor not being stolen than citizens, just because they are not citizens?
      - brvsft 3y ago
        What is your point? Wage theft occurs regardless of migrant status. Why are you asking me to be responsible for the tangential discussion, that I did not start, on migrant status? Or are you going to post this exact same question to everyone up the chain including people you already agree with?
    - kjkjadksj 3y ago
      The conditions are very unsafe. Commercial farming has terrible air quality. Farmers have significantly higher rates of cancers including lung cancer. There is no one inspecting workplace conditions when you are hiring undocumented workers. Every bad heatwave in the southwest you hear sad stories of people in fields dying of heat exhaustion because their supervisors provide no shade for breaks or water stations. There are no standards federally even for what might be sufficient despite the massive rates of heat related deaths experienced by farm workers relative to the general population.
    - 2024throwaway 3y ago
      Sounds a lot like an abuser saying “as long as there are no visible bruises, they’re fine”. Except way worse because you’re fine with bruises apparently. Death is where you draw the line. Disgusting.
      - brvsft 3y ago
        Hahaha.
- yareal 3y ago
  That shouldn't be the bar. "Brutal but better than where you came from." Should still be unacceptable. Work should afford someone dignity and fair compensation, not simply be better than the worst conditions the worker has dealt with.
- wahnfrieden 3y ago
  > Since the implementation of the ‘Remain in Mexico’ policy in 2019 and Title 42 in 2020, asylum seekers sent to Mexico have experienced kidnapping, rape, extortion, and other abuses by organized crime and Mexican officials. > When the United States sends migrants to Mexico, criminal cartels are enriched by kidnapping them and then extorting money from their US-based family members to secure their release. Just to comment on what your "good option" means for many. Maybe you meant the option is good for the US and employers, rather than for the migrant worker
  - vdaea 3y ago
    That's a shame but I don't see how that's the US responsibility. This seems like a call for imperialism more than anything else. Let Mexico govern themselves please.
    - badcppdev 3y ago
      It's a human responsibility to not steal from someone whatever the circumstances. And a human responsibility to not exploit people running away from a violent dangerous environment. If you only care about people with a certain piece of paper then it says something about your total lack of ethics and human compassion.
      - themaninthedark 3y ago
        How far does this human responsibility extend? I agree don't steal and let's prosecute those who do. What about those in Mexico that steal from the the people who are fleeing violence? Why stop there, how about we do something about the violent dangerous environment? Would you support military action in Mexico and South America to try and fix the problems?
        wahnfrieden 3y ago
        How much do you understand about US state involvement with cartels? That’s a lot of optimism placed in bombs
- Cheer2171 3y ago
  This logic validates any horrific human rights abuse, just as long as that abuse is an epsilon less horrific than what is happening elsewhere.

vdaea 3y ago

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Cthulhu_ 3y ago
This is a really shitty take. I don't think you're a decent person if that's how you truly feel.
- brvsft 3y ago
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  - Cheer2171 3y ago
    What about the topic of this thread: wage theft? Should migrants have less rights to the product of their own labor not being stolen than citizens, just because they are not citizens?
    - brvsft 3y ago
      What is your point? Wage theft occurs regardless of migrant status. Why are you asking me to be responsible for the tangential discussion, that I did not start, on migrant status? Or are you going to post this exact same question to everyone up the chain including people you already agree with?
  - kjkjadksj 3y ago
    The conditions are very unsafe. Commercial farming has terrible air quality. Farmers have significantly higher rates of cancers including lung cancer. There is no one inspecting workplace conditions when you are hiring undocumented workers. Every bad heatwave in the southwest you hear sad stories of people in fields dying of heat exhaustion because their supervisors provide no shade for breaks or water stations. There are no standards federally even for what might be sufficient despite the massive rates of heat related deaths experienced by farm workers relative to the general population.
  - 2024throwaway 3y ago
    Sounds a lot like an abuser saying “as long as there are no visible bruises, they’re fine”. Except way worse because you’re fine with bruises apparently. Death is where you draw the line. Disgusting.
    - brvsft 3y ago
      Hahaha.
yareal 3y ago
That shouldn't be the bar. "Brutal but better than where you came from." Should still be unacceptable. Work should afford someone dignity and fair compensation, not simply be better than the worst conditions the worker has dealt with.
wahnfrieden 3y ago
> Since the implementation of the ‘Remain in Mexico’ policy in 2019 and Title 42 in 2020, asylum seekers sent to Mexico have experienced kidnapping, rape, extortion, and other abuses by organized crime and Mexican officials. > When the United States sends migrants to Mexico, criminal cartels are enriched by kidnapping them and then extorting money from their US-based family members to secure their release. Just to comment on what your "good option" means for many. Maybe you meant the option is good for the US and employers, rather than for the migrant worker
- vdaea 3y ago
  That's a shame but I don't see how that's the US responsibility. This seems like a call for imperialism more than anything else. Let Mexico govern themselves please.
  - badcppdev 3y ago
    It's a human responsibility to not steal from someone whatever the circumstances. And a human responsibility to not exploit people running away from a violent dangerous environment. If you only care about people with a certain piece of paper then it says something about your total lack of ethics and human compassion.
    - themaninthedark 3y ago
      How far does this human responsibility extend? I agree don't steal and let's prosecute those who do. What about those in Mexico that steal from the the people who are fleeing violence? Why stop there, how about we do something about the violent dangerous environment? Would you support military action in Mexico and South America to try and fix the problems?
      - wahnfrieden 3y ago
        How much do you understand about US state involvement with cartels? That’s a lot of optimism placed in bombs
Cheer2171 3y ago
This logic validates any horrific human rights abuse, just as long as that abuse is an epsilon less horrific than what is happening elsewhere.