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> I would accept any design compromise for the webcam, make it grainy / low-res I think this is a minority opinion. I personally don't remark the notch anymor

by gniv 3y ago

> I would accept any design compromise for the webcam, make it grainy / low-res I think this is a minority opinion. I personally don't remark the notch anymore.

ambyra 3y ago
It’s an okay solution, not the best, but definitely the most expensive. Another solution that would have been cool and expensive: if they put a camera in each corner of the screen. Then at least they could have the rounded corners they always wanted. Also four cameras could be used for cool 3d effects and AI to keep your eyes looking at the center of the screen.
- cooper_ganglia 3y ago
  Wait a second, I think you’re onto something here…
  - mceachen 3y ago
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_Phone https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_Phone had a camera on every corner of the front screen.
    - cooper_ganglia 3y ago
      Thanks for the link! I went in search of a product like this to read about it's development, but didn't find one in my short search. This was super convenient!
- LeonenTheDK 3y ago
  > Also four cameras could be used for cool 3d effects and AI to keep your eyes looking at the center of the screen. Nvidia has been doing the eyes with a single generic camera for over a year now: https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/jan-2023-nvidia-broadcast-update/ https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/jan-2023-nvidia-br...
  - lxgr 3y ago
    Facetime has been doing this for a few years now too. It's called something not-quite-straightforward in the settings ("enhance attention" or something).
    - rcdemski 3y ago
      Not sure if it was renamed but today the setting is called “Eye Contact”
- threeseed 3y ago
  I think you need to think through that four camera concept a bit more. It would significantly increase the screen bezels because instead of just one notch you now have to bring in all four edges to accomodate the cameras.
pompino 3y ago
It's the majority opinion, infact Apple also believes that the notch is a compromise. Apple has been trying to develop the under-screen webcam tech. They just don't have the technical capability to eliminate it. When Apple and others finally eliminate the notch it will be heralded as the best thing ever. Few will realize how Apple milked you twice - once to accept the horrible design (that they created), and again to accept how wonderful they are for eliminating the problem.
- KerrAvon 3y ago
  Unless you've actually conducted a survey, you don't know how many people feel like you do. I get that you hate it, but I personally haven't noticed the notch in day to day use ever -- I've been using an M1 in light mode since it came out.
  - pompino 3y ago
    I am not saying its the most pressing design feature that disqualifies a purchase. I just don't get the push-back when pointing out obvious flaws.
    - newdee 3y ago
      I think the push-back is largely due to you ascribing your own preferences/opinions to the “majority” user base without any supporting data.
      - pompino 3y ago
        If the notch is so good, maybe the fans of the notch should convince Apple and others to stop their efforts to remove it.
- _23sd 3y ago
  I don't see anyone saying the notch on a laptop is a "good" thing that they bought the laptop to get, just people who bought a laptop for other reasons justifying why an imperfect screen shape wasn't enough to make them regret the purchase. They're not being "milked" in any way I can see. Compare phones, where manufacturers have actually created a narrative that camera cutouts are a desirable feature. Maybe people who bought new phones because they like the cutout design are getting milked twice.

by gniv 3y ago

> I would accept any design compromise for the webcam, make it grainy / low-res I think this is a minority opinion. I personally don't remark the notch anymore.

ambyra 3y ago

It’s an okay solution, not the best, but definitely the most expensive. Another solution that would have been cool and expensive: if they put a camera in each corner of the screen. Then at least they could have the rounded corners they always wanted. Also four cameras could be used for cool 3d effects and AI to keep your eyes looking at the center of the screen.

cooper_ganglia 3y ago
Wait a second, I think you’re onto something here…
- mceachen 3y ago
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_Phone https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_Phone had a camera on every corner of the front screen.
  - cooper_ganglia 3y ago
    Thanks for the link! I went in search of a product like this to read about it's development, but didn't find one in my short search. This was super convenient!
LeonenTheDK 3y ago
> Also four cameras could be used for cool 3d effects and AI to keep your eyes looking at the center of the screen. Nvidia has been doing the eyes with a single generic camera for over a year now: https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/jan-2023-nvidia-broadcast-update/ https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/jan-2023-nvidia-br...
- lxgr 3y ago
  Facetime has been doing this for a few years now too. It's called something not-quite-straightforward in the settings ("enhance attention" or something).
  - rcdemski 3y ago
    Not sure if it was renamed but today the setting is called “Eye Contact”
threeseed 3y ago
I think you need to think through that four camera concept a bit more. It would significantly increase the screen bezels because instead of just one notch you now have to bring in all four edges to accomodate the cameras.

pompino 3y ago

It's the majority opinion, infact Apple also believes that the notch is a compromise. Apple has been trying to develop the under-screen webcam tech. They just don't have the technical capability to eliminate it. When Apple and others finally eliminate the notch it will be heralded as the best thing ever. Few will realize how Apple milked you twice - once to accept the horrible design (that they created), and again to accept how wonderful they are for eliminating the problem.

KerrAvon 3y ago
Unless you've actually conducted a survey, you don't know how many people feel like you do. I get that you hate it, but I personally haven't noticed the notch in day to day use ever -- I've been using an M1 in light mode since it came out.
- pompino 3y ago
  I am not saying its the most pressing design feature that disqualifies a purchase. I just don't get the push-back when pointing out obvious flaws.
  - newdee 3y ago
    I think the push-back is largely due to you ascribing your own preferences/opinions to the “majority” user base without any supporting data.
    - pompino 3y ago
      If the notch is so good, maybe the fans of the notch should convince Apple and others to stop their efforts to remove it.
_23sd 3y ago
I don't see anyone saying the notch on a laptop is a "good" thing that they bought the laptop to get, just people who bought a laptop for other reasons justifying why an imperfect screen shape wasn't enough to make them regret the purchase. They're not being "milked" in any way I can see. Compare phones, where manufacturers have actually created a narrative that camera cutouts are a desirable feature. Maybe people who bought new phones because they like the cutout design are getting milked twice.