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I think it's a bit rich to describe this as the 'future of video game preservation'. The MiSTer project https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Wiki_MiSTer/wiki https:

I think it's a bit rich to describe this as the 'future of video game preservation'. The MiSTer project https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Wiki_MiSTer/wiki https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Wiki_MiSTer/wiki more rightfully deserves that title. It's got a huge range of systems (across consoles, arcade and micro computers) and it's all GPL licenced. The base board is a Terasic DE10 Nano which is proprietary but all other hardware required is open source. The MiSTeX project aims to make MiSTer portable across different FPGA platforms https://github.com/MiSTeX-devel https://github.com/MiSTeX-devel so a DE10 Nano won't be mandatory enabling a new ecosystem of open hardware and commercial for profit solutions. I take no issue with people wanting to make money in this space. I take great issue with trying to gatekeep system preservation behind a mostly closed system you stamp an 'open' moniker on.

DrNosferatu 3y ago
Absolutely 0 mentions of the word "MiSTer" negatively impacts this "open" project. Their self-appraising pitch applies more to the MiSTeX project than themselves. [https://github.com/MiSTeX-devel https://github.com/MiSTeX-devel]
- pipes 3y ago
  Yeah but they seem to be suggesting no one has done fpga emulation before. (I'm biased, I love my mister!)
  - jonhohle 3y ago
    After DE-10 Nanos what up in price (likely due to MiSTer), there was rumblings that it was too tied to the hardware to be portable. I missed out when things were cheap and always assumed buying a board at the higher prices would be the trigger which caused the project to move to the next generation of hardware.
    - pipes 3y ago
      Yeah I paid the higher price unfortunately. The best thing about it is I don't spend all my time fiddling with settings like I do with software emulators.
- thrillgore 3y ago
  Which is just rich, as Analogue takes advantage of preorders to limit hardware on a per-order basis, meaning they are always out of stock. Don't have this issue with the MiSTer.
pbj1968 3y ago
Five years ago the Mister people were similarly unable to STFU about raspberry pi’s. Mister is still emulation, it still has tons of issues, and it’s still $700 invested before you’re actually playing games. Meanwhile we’re in a golden age of RGB mods, flash carts, and optical drive emulators for original hardware.
- xqzv 3y ago
  "FPGA is emulation" You can have any number of issues with Mister, but this is just flat out incorrect if you know the definition of either of those words.
  - thehias 3y ago
    Of course Mister uses emulation - there are only few chips in older arcade boards that truly can be simulated in FPGA with circuit-accuracy. The Mister SNES core has less accuracy like the software emulator bsnes, not all game work or there a bugs - they still "emulate" the hardware how they interpret it. FPGA is just a different way of "hardware emulation" instead of traditional "software emulators". The only real advantage of FPGA compared to software is the improved latency.
    - vardump 3y ago
      An FPGA can be 100% hardware perfect with practically no extra processing cost. The potential is there, even if it's not initially exploited. CPU based emulation will require a fairly powerful CPU just to emulate SNES. It's pretty expensive to emulate hardware in 180-190 ns increments.
      - pclmulqdq 3y ago
        This isn't quite true - you lose some of the weird analog stuff that may have happened. On a well-designed board, though, you can get essentially perfect cycle-accurate reproduction.
    - scientist4397 3y ago

DrNosferatu 3y ago

Absolutely 0 mentions of the word "MiSTer" negatively impacts this "open" project. Their self-appraising pitch applies more to the MiSTeX project than themselves. [https://github.com/MiSTeX-devel https://github.com/MiSTeX-devel]

pipes 3y ago
Yeah but they seem to be suggesting no one has done fpga emulation before. (I'm biased, I love my mister!)
- jonhohle 3y ago
  After DE-10 Nanos what up in price (likely due to MiSTer), there was rumblings that it was too tied to the hardware to be portable. I missed out when things were cheap and always assumed buying a board at the higher prices would be the trigger which caused the project to move to the next generation of hardware.
  - pipes 3y ago
    Yeah I paid the higher price unfortunately. The best thing about it is I don't spend all my time fiddling with settings like I do with software emulators.
thrillgore 3y ago
Which is just rich, as Analogue takes advantage of preorders to limit hardware on a per-order basis, meaning they are always out of stock. Don't have this issue with the MiSTer.

pbj1968 3y ago

Five years ago the Mister people were similarly unable to STFU about raspberry pi’s. Mister is still emulation, it still has tons of issues, and it’s still $700 invested before you’re actually playing games. Meanwhile we’re in a golden age of RGB mods, flash carts, and optical drive emulators for original hardware.

xqzv 3y ago
"FPGA is emulation" You can have any number of issues with Mister, but this is just flat out incorrect if you know the definition of either of those words.
- thehias 3y ago
  Of course Mister uses emulation - there are only few chips in older arcade boards that truly can be simulated in FPGA with circuit-accuracy. The Mister SNES core has less accuracy like the software emulator bsnes, not all game work or there a bugs - they still "emulate" the hardware how they interpret it. FPGA is just a different way of "hardware emulation" instead of traditional "software emulators". The only real advantage of FPGA compared to software is the improved latency.
  - vardump 3y ago
    An FPGA can be 100% hardware perfect with practically no extra processing cost. The potential is there, even if it's not initially exploited. CPU based emulation will require a fairly powerful CPU just to emulate SNES. It's pretty expensive to emulate hardware in 180-190 ns increments.
    - pclmulqdq 3y ago
      This isn't quite true - you lose some of the weird analog stuff that may have happened. On a well-designed board, though, you can get essentially perfect cycle-accurate reproduction.
  - scientist4397 3y ago