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Affordability has rarely been a concern for having kids. I grew up poor and people never "thought" about affording kids, just had them and figured things out a

Affordability has rarely been a concern for having kids. I grew up poor and people never "thought" about affording kids, just had them and figured things out along the way. It seems it's a self-filtering mechanism in the upper classes, that put all kinds stops before having kids (e.g not ready/mature enough yet, not financially stable, etc) and usually end up having one at most.

hoseja 3y ago
If you were to have children in affordable manner nowadays you would soon find yourself without said children and in prison possibly.
askonomm 3y ago
Ask your parents, did they enjoy raising you without any money? My mom certainly did not enjoy working 2 jobs to bring me up in this world, and while she loves me, I'm pretty sure she would not do it again if she could do it all over. So while yes, affordability has rarely been a concern, perhaps people are more educated now and realize what having kids would mean for their life, and how much worse it would make their life? And instead of living life for the purpose of being some child making vessels, they want to actually ... I don't know, LIVE?
- randomdata 3y ago
  > My mom certainly did not enjoy working 2 jobs to bring me up in this world Rich world problems, though. In poorer countries and our poorer past, you'd have been working alongside her as she wouldn't be able to do it all on her own. Poor people have little choice but to bring children into this world. They would not survive without them. Opting to not have children is a luxury. > perhaps people are more educated now Or less educated. We seem to have come to believe that children are porcelain dolls that will break if they have to lift the lightest of fingers before they turn 18, even though there is no basis to that. It's just a cultural display.
  - angra_mainyu 3y ago
    > Or less educated. We seem to have come to believe that children are porcelain dolls that will break if they have to lift the lightest of fingers before they turn 18, even though there is no basis to that. It's just a cultural display. Very much so. Sadly, hand-in-hand with some strange Peter Pan syndrome of many adults remaining eternal children or what's worse, outright demonizing having children, arguably one of the most beautiful things you could ever achieve in life.
- angra_mainyu 3y ago
  Yes, of course. They'd do it all over again without hesitation. Also, we were technically homeless for a time and a church took us in and let us live in their attic. I'm deeply grateful to have been given the chance to be alive and for all those experiences as a child. > And instead of living life for the purpose of being some child making vessels someone needs therapy...
  - askonomm 3y ago
    So you think people should suffer homeless if it comes to it, as long as they make kids? What a horrible view of the world you have.
    - angra_mainyu 3y ago
      feel free to ragepost on r/childfree Also, the logical consequence of your position is all poor people should be banned from procreating, trickling off to enormous chunks of third world countries. Bizarre position.

hoseja 3y ago

If you were to have children in affordable manner nowadays you would soon find yourself without said children and in prison possibly.

askonomm 3y ago

Ask your parents, did they enjoy raising you without any money? My mom certainly did not enjoy working 2 jobs to bring me up in this world, and while she loves me, I'm pretty sure she would not do it again if she could do it all over. So while yes, affordability has rarely been a concern, perhaps people are more educated now and realize what having kids would mean for their life, and how much worse it would make their life? And instead of living life for the purpose of being some child making vessels, they want to actually ... I don't know, LIVE?

randomdata 3y ago
> My mom certainly did not enjoy working 2 jobs to bring me up in this world Rich world problems, though. In poorer countries and our poorer past, you'd have been working alongside her as she wouldn't be able to do it all on her own. Poor people have little choice but to bring children into this world. They would not survive without them. Opting to not have children is a luxury. > perhaps people are more educated now Or less educated. We seem to have come to believe that children are porcelain dolls that will break if they have to lift the lightest of fingers before they turn 18, even though there is no basis to that. It's just a cultural display.
- angra_mainyu 3y ago
  > Or less educated. We seem to have come to believe that children are porcelain dolls that will break if they have to lift the lightest of fingers before they turn 18, even though there is no basis to that. It's just a cultural display. Very much so. Sadly, hand-in-hand with some strange Peter Pan syndrome of many adults remaining eternal children or what's worse, outright demonizing having children, arguably one of the most beautiful things you could ever achieve in life.
angra_mainyu 3y ago
Yes, of course. They'd do it all over again without hesitation. Also, we were technically homeless for a time and a church took us in and let us live in their attic. I'm deeply grateful to have been given the chance to be alive and for all those experiences as a child. > And instead of living life for the purpose of being some child making vessels someone needs therapy...
- askonomm 3y ago
  So you think people should suffer homeless if it comes to it, as long as they make kids? What a horrible view of the world you have.
  - angra_mainyu 3y ago
    feel free to ragepost on r/childfree Also, the logical consequence of your position is all poor people should be banned from procreating, trickling off to enormous chunks of third world countries. Bizarre position.