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“Can I have port 22?” “Yes” the early days of the internet are so fantastical to me I can’t stand it. Makes me sad to be too young to have witnessed it.
by bazil376 3y ago
“Can I have port 22?”
“Yes”
the early days of the internet are so fantastical to me I can’t stand it. Makes me sad to be too young to have witnessed it.
- Dwedit 3y agoThe early days of the internet were dominated by InfoSeek Net Search, then later on Alta Vista was the search engine of choice. Then later on, Google appeared and everyone else couldn't compete.
- lttlrck 3y agoThat's closer to an abridged history of "World Wide Web" search engines. The internet was decades old when Infoseek appeared.
- jedrek 3y agothe internet was decades old when http appeared.
- blahyawnblah 3y agoWas it DEC than ran Alta Vista? They were involved in some search engine
- coobird 3y agoIndeed.[1] I recall using it as my main search engine at altavista.digital.com before they moved to get its own domain at altavista.com. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AltaVista https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AltaVista
- macintux 3y agoI remember when AltaVista was the best, and despairing because it was so terrible. At a dinner party, we were arguing about how to move forward with discovery on the web, because the situation was so dire. Someone was arguing for keyword registration, a la AOL. I really, really hope that someone wasn’t me; I’ve convinced myself over the years it wasn’t, but I didn’t have any better ideas, just knew that wouldn’t work.
- demondemidi 3y agoI was using Archie and gopher in the late 80s. Do you mean web search instead of internet search?
- jjav 3y ago> The early days of the internet were dominated by InfoSeek Net Search That's 20-some years after the early days of the Internet.
- defrost 3y agoI'd been using the internet for 14 years before InfoSeek Net Search appeared in 1994, this is honestly the first time I've heard of it. I don't even consider myself an early user of the internet either, the people I learnt from had already been using it a good while.
- djao 3y agoThere was also that time Jon Postel asked all the DNS root server operators to make his server the root, and they did. https://www.wired.com/2012/10/joe-postel/ https://www.wired.com/2012/10/joe-postel/
- grepfru_it 3y agoAh yes back when NANOG was an irc channel and anyone could join and discuss their routing problems. It was a simpler time for sure
- tptacek 3y agoYou don't really need permission to take a port; you can run your service on 80/tcp if you like.
- jraph 3y agoHere it's different than this, the question is rather "Can it be recorded that port 22 is reserved for my tool so it becomes a worldwide convention?"
- otabdeveloper4 3y agoThere is no worldwide convention. Go ahead and run your services on whatever ports. That's what I do.
- DonHopkins 3y agoYes there most certainly is a worldwide convention. Please read the article before commenting. Just because you don't happen to follow the convention does not mean it doesn't exist and isn't worldwide.
- rob 3y agoNo convention at all, just FTP defaulting to 21 and SSH to 22 and websites to 80 randomly.
- otabdeveloper4 3y agoThere is no Internet Police that will give a fine for using the 'wrong' ports. (In fact, not running SSH on port 22 is an industry best practice in 2024, sadly.)
- jraph 3y agoYou are thinking of a law, not a convention. A convention is a common language. It is something you have the right to break when needed / suitable but which is otherwise nice to follow when interacting with others. Such conventions allow you to omit the port when typing a URL in a browser for instance. They allow taking nice shortcuts and avoiding verbose / irrelevant technical details. (now, some conventions are mandated by laws indeed. For instance, if you are setting up electricity somewhere, you'd better use the right colors. One might argue that we ought to call such things rules)
- EnigmaFlare 3y agoEven if you were old enough, you probably wouldn't have witnessed it because it was only being worked on by a small number of people. There must be amazing future things which are in their early days right now but you and me aren't involved with them and nobody knows for sure what they even are until they explode. I'm old enough to remember the early days of Bitcoin and how nobody I talked to about it had ever heard of it and was either dismissive ("That would be easy to hack" / "that can't work") or just treated it like a random chit-chat that didn't matter.
- DonHopkins 3y agoWow that's a lot less negotiation than is required to tell a TCP joke! ;) Hello, would you like to hear a TCP joke? Yes, I'd like to hear a TCP joke. OK, I'll tell you a TCP joke. OK, I'll hear a TCP joke. Are you ready to hear a TCP joke? Yes, I am ready to hear a TCP joke. OK, I'm about to send the TCP joke. It will last 10 seconds, it has two characters, it does not have a setting, and it ends with punchline. OK, I'm ready to hear the TCP joke that will last 10 seconds, has two characters, does not have a setting, and will end with a punchline. I'm sorry, your connection has timed out... ...Hello, would you like to hear a TCP joke?
- mxuribe 3y agoOMG, this is brilliant! How have i never heard this one before!?! Thanks for sharing! :-D
- DonHopkins 3y agoI'd tell you a UDP joke, but you might not get it. ;)
- mxuribe 3y agoOMG another good one! :-D
- DonHopkins 3y ago[flagged]
- opoino 3y agoWhat is all this idiot bullshit?
- justsomehnguy 3y agoYou can understand if you read, especially https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14178993 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14178993 and http://www.saildart.org/FTP.NCP[S,NET] http://www.saildart.org/FTP.NCP[S,NET] Hint: duplex and simplex.
- macintux 3y agoI don't think the concern was the technical content, which was enlightening.
- DonHopkins 3y ago[flagged]
- teddyh 3y agoThat is Don Hopkins, “a very imaginative fellow” (according to Richard Stallman), hacker extraordinaire, and very active in (and leader of many) important and well-known software projects throughout the 1990’s, or thereabouts. Here on HN, he often comments with insightful historical context (in his inimitable style). Just don’t get on his bad side, is all I’m saying (at this time); I have personal experience, but you can simply peruse his comment history here.