> Ukraine would've joined NATO. That's just speculation. Germany has vetoed Ukraine's accession in 2008 and their position was not changed until this war. Same

> Ukraine would've joined NATO. That's just speculation. Germany has vetoed Ukraine's accession in 2008 and their position was not changed until this war. Same for France. > Could you consider the collective panic and US reaction if a bordering state were to join the CSTO for example ? I think US is wise enough to not annex parts of its neighbors to provoke such a reaction.