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No because the desire to know and control what's going to happen is primarily driven by finance needs, and they're also the people who pay you.

piva00 3y ago
They can only pay me because many others like me deliver value, generating money to pay us. Is a symbiotic relationship, the money only exists due to labour.
- xboxnolifes 3y ago
  Your argument seems to be that these "fiefdoms" aren't providing you anything and just taking a portion of your generated value. The obvious follow up is then: why don't you quit and go solo then? Clearly if they're entirely parasitic leaving is strictly beneficial to you.
  - alexvoda 3y ago
    Not so, because of collective fitness. Being part of a large but parasitized (ill) group is more fit in the evolutionary sense than being healthy but alone.
  - piva00 3y ago
    I used the word "symbiotic" and not "parasitic", in a symbiosis there are mutual benefits: while labour is exploited and I only get a portion of the generated value I also get the benefit of not risking myself going solo, nor having all the stresses of having to cover sales, marketing, product development, and so on. It is still the same: the value extracted is only possible to exist because of many like me, doing labour to create added value which can be sold, without this there's no management class, there's no administrative tasks to perform around the work. My comment is a retort to this mindset: > and they're also the people who pay you. They are only able to pay me because of the work done by many like me, their power can only exist through this conduit so bending over to view the ones in control of capital as "above me" being the "who pay you" is absurd in my worldview. They have their reason to exist but need to respect that without us they are nothing, absolutely nothing. Just like me without people taking care of a business would be in a less comfortable place. Again, it's symbiotic and I'm just fighting the notion that someone should shut up or think of themselves as lesser because they are being paid by someone, that's only possible through a mutual relationship.
- __loam 3y ago
  I'd argue it's more parasitic than symbiotic.

piva00 3y ago

They can only pay me because many others like me deliver value, generating money to pay us. Is a symbiotic relationship, the money only exists due to labour.

xboxnolifes 3y ago
Your argument seems to be that these "fiefdoms" aren't providing you anything and just taking a portion of your generated value. The obvious follow up is then: why don't you quit and go solo then? Clearly if they're entirely parasitic leaving is strictly beneficial to you.
- alexvoda 3y ago
  Not so, because of collective fitness. Being part of a large but parasitized (ill) group is more fit in the evolutionary sense than being healthy but alone.
- piva00 3y ago
  I used the word "symbiotic" and not "parasitic", in a symbiosis there are mutual benefits: while labour is exploited and I only get a portion of the generated value I also get the benefit of not risking myself going solo, nor having all the stresses of having to cover sales, marketing, product development, and so on. It is still the same: the value extracted is only possible to exist because of many like me, doing labour to create added value which can be sold, without this there's no management class, there's no administrative tasks to perform around the work. My comment is a retort to this mindset: > and they're also the people who pay you. They are only able to pay me because of the work done by many like me, their power can only exist through this conduit so bending over to view the ones in control of capital as "above me" being the "who pay you" is absurd in my worldview. They have their reason to exist but need to respect that without us they are nothing, absolutely nothing. Just like me without people taking care of a business would be in a less comfortable place. Again, it's symbiotic and I'm just fighting the notion that someone should shut up or think of themselves as lesser because they are being paid by someone, that's only possible through a mutual relationship.
__loam 3y ago
I'd argue it's more parasitic than symbiotic.