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Yeah I was shocked by this as well moving from Australia to Germany, it's a euro thing. Some will even put "single" or "married" on their cv, though I'm told t

Yeah I was shocked by this as well moving from Australia to Germany, it's a euro thing. Some will even put "single" or "married" on their cv, though I'm told that's dying out

nielsole 3y ago
It used to be common to put in occupation of the parents as well.
Mydayyy 3y ago
From germany here. I removed the photo from my CV a few years ago. Never got asked about it during hiring. Obviously I don't have any numbers whether/how often I got sorted out due to that. But I hope the expectation to have a photo on your CV also dies out here.
- n_ary 3y ago
  I also hope that this dies out. While I used to put my photo as usual for years because this is how we do Lebenslauf, then one of my immigrant friend got severely discriminated(with clear evidence, guess the HR lady was new hire), so I started leaving my photo out in protest. While I got some issues for a while about “better knowing our colleague and avoid hiring scam(?)”, eventually this stopped after I got some experience. Now, if someone asks me for a photo or is concerned(one of my parents is immigrant background so I have a slightly hybrid name), I just tell them to know me better in person when I am in Office and they can take a photo with me when I meet them. That all being said, the photo was more of a cultural thing in the past, it was useful for identification and filing purposes as well. However, in modern times the practice stuck and gave ways to discrimination.
  - lazide 3y ago
    HR being openly discriminatory is only an issue if someone actually penalizes them for it. The DOL is openly requiring companies to discriminate (affirmative action), and ignoring 'desirable' discrimination claims (which is required for affirmative action to work in a down economy), so why should they care? And to be frank - did you sue them? Or try to sue them? Seems to be working no?
xdennis 3y ago
> it's a euro thing Yep. The Europass CV standard still uses photos on the CV. Examples: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=europass+cv+example&t=lm&iax=images&ia=images https://duckduckgo.com/?q=europass+cv+example&t=lm&iax=image... I don't think tech people add photos though. (I don't.)
krab 3y ago
What about LinkedIn? That substitutes resumes for a lot of people. It has photos and it's not a euro thing.
- jacurtis 3y ago
  Yeah this is always something that has bothered me. Profile image bias is 100% a thing. But if you don't have an image on LinkedIn or put a generic image (of your dog or something) then it hurts you in job searches. People will deny that it hurts you, but I guarantee it does. I've been in many meetings where people make comments about weird photos like that which portray you negatively. So I have accepted it as a necessary evil. If you have to have a profile image and its going to represent you, then make it as professional as possible. Don't go for goofy or silly, just be professional and boring and its the best look.

Yeah I was shocked by this as well moving from Australia to Germany, it's a euro thing. Some will even put "single" or "married" on their cv, though I'm told that's dying out

nielsole 3y ago

It used to be common to put in occupation of the parents as well.

Mydayyy 3y ago

From germany here. I removed the photo from my CV a few years ago. Never got asked about it during hiring. Obviously I don't have any numbers whether/how often I got sorted out due to that. But I hope the expectation to have a photo on your CV also dies out here.

n_ary 3y ago
I also hope that this dies out. While I used to put my photo as usual for years because this is how we do Lebenslauf, then one of my immigrant friend got severely discriminated(with clear evidence, guess the HR lady was new hire), so I started leaving my photo out in protest. While I got some issues for a while about “better knowing our colleague and avoid hiring scam(?)”, eventually this stopped after I got some experience. Now, if someone asks me for a photo or is concerned(one of my parents is immigrant background so I have a slightly hybrid name), I just tell them to know me better in person when I am in Office and they can take a photo with me when I meet them. That all being said, the photo was more of a cultural thing in the past, it was useful for identification and filing purposes as well. However, in modern times the practice stuck and gave ways to discrimination.
- lazide 3y ago
  HR being openly discriminatory is only an issue if someone actually penalizes them for it. The DOL is openly requiring companies to discriminate (affirmative action), and ignoring 'desirable' discrimination claims (which is required for affirmative action to work in a down economy), so why should they care? And to be frank - did you sue them? Or try to sue them? Seems to be working no?

xdennis 3y ago

> it's a euro thing Yep. The Europass CV standard still uses photos on the CV. Examples: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=europass+cv+example&t=lm&iax=images&ia=images https://duckduckgo.com/?q=europass+cv+example&t=lm&iax=image... I don't think tech people add photos though. (I don't.)

krab 3y ago

What about LinkedIn? That substitutes resumes for a lot of people. It has photos and it's not a euro thing.

jacurtis 3y ago
Yeah this is always something that has bothered me. Profile image bias is 100% a thing. But if you don't have an image on LinkedIn or put a generic image (of your dog or something) then it hurts you in job searches. People will deny that it hurts you, but I guarantee it does. I've been in many meetings where people make comments about weird photos like that which portray you negatively. So I have accepted it as a necessary evil. If you have to have a profile image and its going to represent you, then make it as professional as possible. Don't go for goofy or silly, just be professional and boring and its the best look.