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This is a common excuse or conspiracy theory if you live near Mac or Boeing plants, it may or may not be true. Boeing bought Mac in '97, over 25 years ago. Tha

This is a common excuse or conspiracy theory if you live near Mac or Boeing plants, it may or may not be true. Boeing bought Mac in '97, over 25 years ago. That's a whole generation of employees. Coming from St. Louis I've been hearing Boeing folks blame Mac for their failures for years which is probably because few are left from Mac to disagree, and when Mac folks did complain it was when they were getting laid off around 99. It's been 25 years, these problems now are all of Boeing's makings, there is no Mac and hasn't been for a long time. Mac didn't make the MAX nor did it not bolt doors to planes. All of this is easily explained by general growth and stagnation of a company but conspiracies are more fun. None of this fixes the current issues. I can see the copium is strong with this group. Does it really matter who's to blame when the problems are at this level? It just needs a fix.

RajT88 3y ago
This sounds like the story of the "Three Envelopes": https://kevinkruse.com/the-ceo-and-the-three-envelopes/ https://kevinkruse.com/the-ceo-and-the-three-envelopes/
MengerSponge 3y ago
Boeing bought Mac, but Mac's management and priorities infected Boeing. Maybe Boeing's old-school managers would have succumbed to Jack Welch's financialization scheme, lured by fat stacks of cash, but Mac's people certainly accelerated that process. You can convincingly argue that Mac did make the MAX and Mac did oversee a process where planes flew without doors bolted on, because Boeing no longer exists. It's just Mac wearing Boeing's branding and facilites like a skin suit.
- p_l 3y ago
  Remember, the person who oversaw the start of the changes was a Boeing lifer - by the time Condit left due to corruption scandal caused by his subordinates and let an ex-McD-D executive in, he had already initiated outsourcing strategy and the idea that Boeing was to concentrate only on "final integration", changed the HQ, and set goals and rules for 7E7 (today's 787) project including ridiculous cost cuts (the project, which used completely new technologies for Boeing, was supposed to cost 1/4th of 777!)
jacquesm 3y ago
Fish rots from the head and this was a reverse takeover if there ever was one. Boeing not only lost its way, it lost its head.

RajT88 3y ago

This sounds like the story of the "Three Envelopes": https://kevinkruse.com/the-ceo-and-the-three-envelopes/ https://kevinkruse.com/the-ceo-and-the-three-envelopes/

MengerSponge 3y ago

Boeing bought Mac, but Mac's management and priorities infected Boeing. Maybe Boeing's old-school managers would have succumbed to Jack Welch's financialization scheme, lured by fat stacks of cash, but Mac's people certainly accelerated that process. You can convincingly argue that Mac did make the MAX and Mac did oversee a process where planes flew without doors bolted on, because Boeing no longer exists. It's just Mac wearing Boeing's branding and facilites like a skin suit.

p_l 3y ago
Remember, the person who oversaw the start of the changes was a Boeing lifer - by the time Condit left due to corruption scandal caused by his subordinates and let an ex-McD-D executive in, he had already initiated outsourcing strategy and the idea that Boeing was to concentrate only on "final integration", changed the HQ, and set goals and rules for 7E7 (today's 787) project including ridiculous cost cuts (the project, which used completely new technologies for Boeing, was supposed to cost 1/4th of 777!)

jacquesm 3y ago

Fish rots from the head and this was a reverse takeover if there ever was one. Boeing not only lost its way, it lost its head.