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> XFCE released in 2014 has significantly less bugs than XFCE today The Thunar of today's auto-sized column behaviour irks me, I always end up with a horizonta
by qwery 3y ago
> XFCE released in 2014 has significantly less bugs than XFCE today
The Thunar of today's auto-sized column behaviour irks me, I always end up with a horizontal scrollbar even though the content doesn't actually extend beyond the view. Can't think of anything else buggy. I think I first used XFCE in 2018, but it must have been spectacular in 2014.
> XFCE/MATE/Mint/etc need to band together and fork/mantain Gtk3
I'm curious if you have any reason to think that the people working on these projects have any interest in forking Gtk? They are using it (as is?), presumably they aren't that unhappy about it.
> the multiple bugs introduced by progressive removal of Gtk features
It really annoys me when software updates break my workflow, but it's easy to see how "add new shiny thing" (= progress) often wins out over "tread carefully" (= stagnation). The way you are referring to such changes as bugs is misleading though.
- superkuh 3y ago>The way you are referring to such changes as bugs is misleading though. The deprecation and removal of keyboard inputs literally results in a bug that generates an error message, https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/issues/5872 https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/issues/5872 This is a microcosm for the Gtk3/4 pivot to mouse only as a whole: they don't care about the bugs caused for people who use keyboards. And DE's like XFCE/MATE/etc are unable to fix these bugs because they're Gtk bugs.
- qwery 3y agoI don't see how that issue demonstrates what you are claiming. The error message is confusing, yes. Calling it a clear-cut bug is a stretch. The way you are referring to "bugs" is still misleading. > This is a microcosm for the Gtk3/4 as a whole. Is it? Where is the war on keyboards? Where is the resistance to working patches? Where is the ignored justification for your preferred behaviour?
- superkuh 3y ago>Is it? Where is the war on keyboards? Where is the resistance to working patches? Where is the ignored justification for your preferred behaviour? On #gtk straight out of the typing fingers of the devs. In the form of the non-merged fixes in Arch for Gtk3. And in the bug tracker but you can't see all the closed and deleted bugs. As for "preferred" there's no preferences allowed by modern Gtk anymore. The gsettings for setting preferences were removed which lead to the bug.
- adrian_b 3y agoThunar is an optional component of XFCE. There are various alternatives to Thunar. For instance I am using Xfe, which was much better than Thunar some years ago and I doubt that Thunar has been improved meanwhile. Thunar has always been much buggier than other components of XFCE. About 6-7 years ago Thunar had a horrible bug. Sometimes when deleting a directory, it deleted the parent directory of the selected directory, instead of the selected one. This could easily lead to great data loss. Except for Thunar, I have never encountered any serious bug in XFCE.
- Adverblessly 3y ago> Thunar ... must have been spectacular in 2014. I don't think it was drastically different, but at least it supported alternating row colors ;)