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those are high-value products/gens where nvidia did indeed “pass along the savings”. Turing and ampere as a whole were already below the price increase curve d

by paulmd 3y ago

those are high-value products/gens where nvidia did indeed “pass along the savings”. Turing and ampere as a whole were already below the price increase curve due to the trailing node. Ampere certainly was a massive attempt at passing the savings through - 3060 ti and 3080 were both really aggressively priced and were great overall products. Notoriously, 3060 ti was so aggressively priced that partners didn’t even want to make it at msrp… And Turing is another example of the “AMD is subject to the same overall industry price trends/not able to drastically beat nvidia pricing either” too - sure, AMD leapt ahead to 7nm early with 5700xt… and this was more expensive than Nvidia’s solution with Turing, such that AMD was not able to undercut Nvidia’s pricing. Those cost increases have been eating up the density gains for a long time now. Nvidia is really actually doing the things that keep the costs down, and ampere and Turing indeed bent the cost curve below where it would otherwise have been. It’s obviously not going to stay fixed, the era of $100 and $150 gaming gpus being serious contenders has obviously long since come to a close, and now it’s happening for $200-300 gpus too, $500-600 is where a $300 gpu was 10 years ago. People just don’t have any way to objectively determine what “true” prices should be, and refuse to believe the true price is rising because it offends their “gamer” worldview. It has to be gouging, otherwise I don’t get a new Sony GameStation X every 2 years at the exact same price, and that can’t be possible. https://www.pcgamer.com/amd-moores-law-aint-dead-its-just-a-whole-lot-more-expensive/ https://www.pcgamer.com/amd-moores-law-aint-dead-its-just-a-...

justinclift 3y ago
> those are high-value products/gens where nvidia did indeed “pass along the savings”. You've got to be joking. The 3000 series cards weren't any kind of "pass along savings", and this generation after it have pricing best called "taking the piss". Widely regarded as "price gouging". You're probably the very first person on earth to try telling people those cards are cheap (with a straight face). I don't think you're going to be able to convince anyone that you're right.
- paulmd 3y ago
  if you don't think 3060 ti and 3080 and 970/980 ti were cheap products in the overall sense of the cost-trend of the market... you might be a fanboy. I've said it before and it's true today: a lot of people don't think of themselves as fanboys, they just constantly say all the same things fanboys say and think all the things fanboys think. The ayymd discourse permeates the online discussions of all these things such that people can no longer determine what's biased and what's not. Moreover, as I've said before, a lot of people's sense on pricing today is just miscalibrated and often they're outright hallucinating on past prices. GTX 970 was the cheaper x70 ever released - the segment has bounced between $350 and $400 since it was introduced, and $349 in 2010 was a lot more money than it is now. And people don't have a good sense of just how much costs have grown and are growing - most people don't even bother accounting for CPI in these discussions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nvidia_graphics_processing_units https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nvidia_graphics_proces... GTX 670: $533 in 2023 dollars (cutdown of 294mm2 die)
  - justinclift 3y ago
    No worries. You certainly have a unique perspective. ;)

by paulmd 3y ago

justinclift 3y ago

> those are high-value products/gens where nvidia did indeed “pass along the savings”. You've got to be joking. The 3000 series cards weren't any kind of "pass along savings", and this generation after it have pricing best called "taking the piss". Widely regarded as "price gouging". You're probably the very first person on earth to try telling people those cards are cheap (with a straight face). I don't think you're going to be able to convince anyone that you're right.

paulmd 3y ago
if you don't think 3060 ti and 3080 and 970/980 ti were cheap products in the overall sense of the cost-trend of the market... you might be a fanboy. I've said it before and it's true today: a lot of people don't think of themselves as fanboys, they just constantly say all the same things fanboys say and think all the things fanboys think. The ayymd discourse permeates the online discussions of all these things such that people can no longer determine what's biased and what's not. Moreover, as I've said before, a lot of people's sense on pricing today is just miscalibrated and often they're outright hallucinating on past prices. GTX 970 was the cheaper x70 ever released - the segment has bounced between $350 and $400 since it was introduced, and $349 in 2010 was a lot more money than it is now. And people don't have a good sense of just how much costs have grown and are growing - most people don't even bother accounting for CPI in these discussions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nvidia_graphics_processing_units https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nvidia_graphics_proces... GTX 670: $533 in 2023 dollars (cutdown of 294mm2 die)
- justinclift 3y ago
  No worries. You certainly have a unique perspective. ;)