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Basically, any official in power who refuses to allow teachers to provide sex education classes that include contraception discussions - or parents or other con

Basically, any official in power who refuses to allow teachers to provide sex education classes that include contraception discussions - or parents or other concerned citizens who try to pressure them against it. Knowledge is an effective prerequisite to access.

freedomben 3y ago
Firstly, what age group are we talking about here? Is this Kindergarten kids or is this College Sophomores? Following this line of thought though, does this mean that if someone is against teachers providing gun education classes, then they are in favor of restricting or eliminating gun rights? There would definitely be some overlap, probably even mostly, but I could see someone arguing that gun rights are important but school isn't the most appopriate place for that to be taught.
- otterley 3y ago
  > Firstly, what age group are we talking about here? Is this Kindergarten kids or is this College Sophomores? I'm not going to have a conversation with someone who won't argue in good faith. There's obviously a middle ground here that starts at puberty that you purposely chose to ignore.
  - freedomben 3y ago
    The age group is relevant, because the Florida law that many people point to was about younger children. But regardless, my second point doesn't depend at all on the age group. So sure, ad hominem is an easy way to avoid having to reconcile uncomfortable logic.
    - otterley 3y ago
      First, I wasn't talking about a Florida law. Attempts to restrict sex education happen all over the country, and have been happening since at least the 1980s. I remember having to take a permission slip home to my parents during the Reagan years to be present when the subject was taught. Your second point was a ridiculous attempt to bring guns into the conversation. "Gun rights" are a uniquely American concept and have nothing to do with understanding one's own body, sexuality and reproduction. These concepts are not just universal human concerns; they are core to the functioning of the animal kingdom.

freedomben 3y ago

Firstly, what age group are we talking about here? Is this Kindergarten kids or is this College Sophomores? Following this line of thought though, does this mean that if someone is against teachers providing gun education classes, then they are in favor of restricting or eliminating gun rights? There would definitely be some overlap, probably even mostly, but I could see someone arguing that gun rights are important but school isn't the most appopriate place for that to be taught.

otterley 3y ago
> Firstly, what age group are we talking about here? Is this Kindergarten kids or is this College Sophomores? I'm not going to have a conversation with someone who won't argue in good faith. There's obviously a middle ground here that starts at puberty that you purposely chose to ignore.
- freedomben 3y ago
  The age group is relevant, because the Florida law that many people point to was about younger children. But regardless, my second point doesn't depend at all on the age group. So sure, ad hominem is an easy way to avoid having to reconcile uncomfortable logic.
  - otterley 3y ago
    First, I wasn't talking about a Florida law. Attempts to restrict sex education happen all over the country, and have been happening since at least the 1980s. I remember having to take a permission slip home to my parents during the Reagan years to be present when the subject was taught. Your second point was a ridiculous attempt to bring guns into the conversation. "Gun rights" are a uniquely American concept and have nothing to do with understanding one's own body, sexuality and reproduction. These concepts are not just universal human concerns; they are core to the functioning of the animal kingdom.