> The fact that Ruby can express things very concisely has nothing to do with whether or not learning Objective-C adds an appreciable amount to time to the proc

> The fact that Ruby can express things very concisely has nothing to do with whether or not learning Objective-C adds an appreciable amount to time to the process of learning Cocoa. Here's the disconnect. That was never my point. Please re-read my initial comment. You responded to that comment, hence you're responding to my initial point, which has nothing to do with your argument. Do you get it? The problem is your just not able to express your point, clearly, in relation to the context of this topic. Maybe face-to-face, verbally, you'd do a brilliant job of it. But in the written form, well... Not so good. A little humility on your part would go a long way. Just saying ;)