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The 2025 refers to the year he'll graduate - it's fairly common for US college students to classify themselves this way - and this is a college publication he's
by monkey_monkey 3y ago
The 2025 refers to the year he'll graduate - it's fairly common for US college students to classify themselves this way - and this is a college publication he's being profiled on.
- jacquesm 3y agoThat seems to be a bit premature, no?
- MOARDONGZPLZ 3y agoNo
- xyzelement 3y agoNo. You are designated class of year X on the day you join (in year X-4). If you end up graduating sooner or later then X it will be adjusted.
- jacquesm 3y agoInteresting, I didn't know that. There seems to be a built in assumption that you will graduate, which I find a bit odd. But then again, I'm Dutch and we have a proverb here that roughly translates to 'don't celebrate until you've crossed the bridge' so this may be a cultural heritage thing.
- xyzelement 3y agoI get the idea of “not counting your chickens before they are hatched” Consider “class of 2025” as shorthand for “cohort targeting 2025 graduation” if you are struggling to accept it :)
- jacquesm 3y agoYes, I got it. Thanks for the clarification.
- thaumasiotes 3y ago> There seems to be a built in assumption that you will graduate, which I find a bit odd. Are there many Dutch university students who don't graduate?
- jacquesm 3y agoAbsolutely. On an 8 year window 30% doesn't make it to graduation.
- zamfi 3y agoInteresting. Is this true consistently across institutions, and across disciplines? E.g., at TU Delft, VU, etc? In the US at least, the 4-year graduation rate at e.g., MIT and Harvard are well above 90%, quite a bit higher than the national average.
- jacquesm 3y agoThat was the national average, I suspect there are differences between the institutions themselves as well as between the disciplines. But there definitely is no implied assumption that if you start university that you will graduate.
- zamfi 3y agoAh, fair. The US national average for “completion within 8 years” is not far off, about 60%. At US “elite” schools there is definitely an expectation of completion in 4 years, though not much stigma if you take longer—and students go through in cohorts with target graduation dates (“class of ‘25” or whatever).
- thaumasiotes 3y agoWhy would you start if not to graduate?
- jacquesm 3y ago
- lxgr 3y agoIn US universities, much more of the selection seems to happen before your first semester than in Europe. In Germany or Austria, it would also be considered absurd to prematurely declare yourself a “future graduate of (today + 3-6 years)”. One reason for that is people dropping out: Changing your major is not really a thing so you need to start over or you at least only get partial credit and need to add some semesters if you do. There’s also very little preselection of applicants, so many only realize that they don’t like their major or don’t have the skill set/motivation/grit to still finish it halfway through or later. And for those that do graduate, there is very little incentive to actually graduate on time: Tuition is free, and many people trade speed for work experience while studying (or just to support themselves at a nicer lifestyle than just a students budget; taking on student loans is not that common either).
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- axus 3y agoTetris isn't THAT time consuming!