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>You're asking for equal pay for equal work. Equal pay for equal work doesn't mean the same pay. It means that an employee from Bay Area, one from Netherlands

>You're asking for equal pay for equal work. Equal pay for equal work doesn't mean the same pay. It means that an employee from Bay Area, one from Netherlands and one from India are able to buy the same amount of goods on their local markets from their wage.

foofie 3y ago
> Equal pay for equal work doesn't mean the same pay. Yes it does. You want me to deliver an output, not to slack off if I live X or Z. If you value my work, you pay me. You don't get to claim a benefit just because I chose to live somewhere cheap. Otherwise it would make sense to pay me millions if I chose to move to a penthouse in Manhattan.
lazyasciiart 3y ago
Remember that all of those local markets sell iPhones at a higher cost in USD than the Bay Area. Exactly which goods should they be able to buy the same amount of?
- marcinzm 3y ago
  A roof over their heads for one.
- Biganon 3y ago
  Rent, obviously Of course a Bay Area employee needs to be paid more, their rent is insanely higher than the rent of employees in the NL
  - lazyasciiart 3y ago
    Ok. So the salary difference should be the difference between the monthly median rent: for a 1 bed apartment that’s $1500/month cost difference, double it for taxes and fuzzy math, salary increase of $36k/year. Maybe it should cover “the median rent”, whatever size unit that is, so $1500 in Amsterdam vs $4k in SF: +$60k. Or should it cover buying a 3 bedroom house, though? That’s more like an extra $8k/month for SF, so salary difference is +$190k. This kind of detail is where it falls down. Should people be able to purchase the same goods, or the same relative local position in society? https://www.ktvu.com/news/in-bay-area-0-of-homes-were-cheaper-to-buy-than-rent-study-says https://www.ktvu.com/news/in-bay-area-0-of-homes-were-cheape...
- intothemild 3y ago
  > Remember that all of those local markets sell iPhones at a higher cost in USD than the Bay Area. You're literally arguing that every area has different economics. But also failing to also understand that every area has different economics. iPhones don't keep you warm at night.
  - lazyasciiart 3y ago
    I’m literally not.
yawgmoth 3y ago
But money is portable, and Local market means a different thing than it did pre-pandemic. The argument that local cost of living is the only factor falls apart when people are moving from high CoL markets to low CoL markets with their advantaged savings. Especially within a nation, or times of large movement (again, pandemic - where folks with higher CoL wages were better positioned to acquire prime real estate in lower CoL markets).
Tyr42 3y ago
I mean, you aren't payed in buckets of rice or whatever. Or even a inflation adjusted basket of good and services. You are paid in dollars (or equivalent). So they don't get to claim to be paying the basket of goods if they won't automatically match inflation either

foofie 3y ago

> Equal pay for equal work doesn't mean the same pay. Yes it does. You want me to deliver an output, not to slack off if I live X or Z. If you value my work, you pay me. You don't get to claim a benefit just because I chose to live somewhere cheap. Otherwise it would make sense to pay me millions if I chose to move to a penthouse in Manhattan.

lazyasciiart 3y ago

Remember that all of those local markets sell iPhones at a higher cost in USD than the Bay Area. Exactly which goods should they be able to buy the same amount of?

marcinzm 3y ago
A roof over their heads for one.
Biganon 3y ago
Rent, obviously Of course a Bay Area employee needs to be paid more, their rent is insanely higher than the rent of employees in the NL
- lazyasciiart 3y ago
  Ok. So the salary difference should be the difference between the monthly median rent: for a 1 bed apartment that’s $1500/month cost difference, double it for taxes and fuzzy math, salary increase of $36k/year. Maybe it should cover “the median rent”, whatever size unit that is, so $1500 in Amsterdam vs $4k in SF: +$60k. Or should it cover buying a 3 bedroom house, though? That’s more like an extra $8k/month for SF, so salary difference is +$190k. This kind of detail is where it falls down. Should people be able to purchase the same goods, or the same relative local position in society? https://www.ktvu.com/news/in-bay-area-0-of-homes-were-cheaper-to-buy-than-rent-study-says https://www.ktvu.com/news/in-bay-area-0-of-homes-were-cheape...
intothemild 3y ago
> Remember that all of those local markets sell iPhones at a higher cost in USD than the Bay Area. You're literally arguing that every area has different economics. But also failing to also understand that every area has different economics. iPhones don't keep you warm at night.
- lazyasciiart 3y ago
  I’m literally not.

yawgmoth 3y ago

But money is portable, and Local market means a different thing than it did pre-pandemic. The argument that local cost of living is the only factor falls apart when people are moving from high CoL markets to low CoL markets with their advantaged savings. Especially within a nation, or times of large movement (again, pandemic - where folks with higher CoL wages were better positioned to acquire prime real estate in lower CoL markets).

Tyr42 3y ago

I mean, you aren't payed in buckets of rice or whatever. Or even a inflation adjusted basket of good and services. You are paid in dollars (or equivalent). So they don't get to claim to be paying the basket of goods if they won't automatically match inflation either