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Good enough people from India move elsewhere in no time. You still get what you pay for.

northern-lights 3y ago
Not necessarily. There are costs and obstacles to moving (for example moving from India to US is extremely difficult these days).
- jojobas 3y ago
  There sure are, but there's Australia, Canada, Europe and Middle East. Results of offshoring to Bangalore is a stereotype, but it wasn't born from nothing.
  - andrewaylett 3y ago
    No -- it's born of attempts to cut costs. I've worked with teams from Bangalore who were staff of the bank I was contracting for -- they were amazing, but also not appreciably (if at all) cheaper than employing someone in London or New York. Several well-known banks had large offices, and competition for talent was high. No race for the bottom there. It doesn't particularly matter where you employ people, if you're trying to save costs by paying people less then you're going to have a bad time.
    - ako 3y ago
      Good engineers will accept lower payment if their costs are lower. Similar to how amazon is operating, by lowering costs, minimizing margin, they can win over customers and win the market.
      - jojobas 3y ago
        People don't work like that. They want their costs to be high because that's what it takes to live a nicer life. A tangential proof of my initial statement can be observed in US immigrant IQ levels, as compared to the general population.
      - andrewaylett 3y ago
        Conversely, if there is a shortage of known-to-be-qualified engineers then anyone who is any good will command a high salary regardless of their cost of living. If you want to pay them lower wages, they'll work for someone else instead.
ako 3y ago
Why would they move away from family and friends if they could get equal pay in India, with more spending power?
- jojobas 3y ago
  Because living in India sucks even if you're rich.
  - ako 3y ago
    I recently visited some teams in India, they indicated quite a few coworkers moved back to India to be closer to family and friends. Not everyone is dreaming about moving to the US. And yes, I agree that I couldn’t see myself living in India, with all the pollution and overpopulation…
    - jojobas 3y ago
      That has to be a small minority. As for missing family, chain migration is still a thing. Nearly nobody is ever going back, even those who can't land a proper job just stay and drive ubers.

Not necessarily. There are costs and obstacles to moving (for example moving from India to US is extremely difficult these days).

jojobas 3y ago
There sure are, but there's Australia, Canada, Europe and Middle East. Results of offshoring to Bangalore is a stereotype, but it wasn't born from nothing.
- andrewaylett 3y ago
  No -- it's born of attempts to cut costs. I've worked with teams from Bangalore who were staff of the bank I was contracting for -- they were amazing, but also not appreciably (if at all) cheaper than employing someone in London or New York. Several well-known banks had large offices, and competition for talent was high. No race for the bottom there. It doesn't particularly matter where you employ people, if you're trying to save costs by paying people less then you're going to have a bad time.
  - ako 3y ago
    Good engineers will accept lower payment if their costs are lower. Similar to how amazon is operating, by lowering costs, minimizing margin, they can win over customers and win the market.
    - jojobas 3y ago
      People don't work like that. They want their costs to be high because that's what it takes to live a nicer life. A tangential proof of my initial statement can be observed in US immigrant IQ levels, as compared to the general population.
    - andrewaylett 3y ago
      Conversely, if there is a shortage of known-to-be-qualified engineers then anyone who is any good will command a high salary regardless of their cost of living. If you want to pay them lower wages, they'll work for someone else instead.

ako 3y ago

Why would they move away from family and friends if they could get equal pay in India, with more spending power?

jojobas 3y ago
Because living in India sucks even if you're rich.
- ako 3y ago
  I recently visited some teams in India, they indicated quite a few coworkers moved back to India to be closer to family and friends. Not everyone is dreaming about moving to the US. And yes, I agree that I couldn’t see myself living in India, with all the pollution and overpopulation…
  - jojobas 3y ago
    That has to be a small minority. As for missing family, chain migration is still a thing. Nearly nobody is ever going back, even those who can't land a proper job just stay and drive ubers.