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They were not a nutty cult and the fire was caused by the tear gas.

asveikau 3y ago
I've heard recordings of them speaking about their beliefs. They were a nutty cult. It's sad for them. Cults have a lot of innocent brainwashed people. Koresh himself probably had serious mental health problems which is pitiable.
LeafItAlone 3y ago
Seems like an opportunity for you to update Wikipedia with the facts you know then? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Branch_Davidians https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Branch_Davidians
- theultdev 3y ago
  Nah I doubt they would accept it. Wikipedia is not the source of truth at all. And it's very clear knowledge that tear gas canisters cause fires in enclosed areas: https://sourcenm.com/2022/08/05/tear-gas-grenade-thrown-by-bernalillo-county-deputy-caused-deadly-house-fire-investigators-say/ https://sourcenm.com/2022/08/05/tear-gas-grenade-thrown-by-b... https://www.austinchronicle.com/news/2000-07-07/77866/ https://www.austinchronicle.com/news/2000-07-07/77866/ Now you go update wikipedia, if you want.
  - LeafItAlone 3y ago
    After reading your articles, it looks like Wikipedia does not need to be updated at all. The group is still indeed a nutty cult and while the gas used may contribute to a fire, there was evidence that the Davidians did start the fire, whether or not the gas helped it grow.
    - theultdev 3y ago
      Can you point me to the evidence? And we don't know if they were a wacky cult because the ATF burned everyone to death so no interviews...
      - LeafItAlone 3y ago
        The Wikipedia article on the subject links to many different sources and their evidence. This one seems to be a good enough summation: https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/waco/topten2.html https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/waco/topten2.html People from the cult did survive, did do interviews, and even brought lawsuits. A large group was released before the fires and nine more survived the entire incident. So maybe you aren’t as familiar as you think? Furthermore, we already know more than enough about the cult from _before_ the incident. It’s pretty clear they are a nutty cult. But, I suspect none of what I wrote above matters to you. You’ll probably still say that it’s a conspiracy and the group was a normal gathering of people, ignoring all of the evidence to the contrary. So I’m not even sure what I hope to gain from this response.
        theultdev 3y ago
        Sorry, the ATF burned most of them to death. But you still didn't answer my question... Where is the evidence that the Davidians started the fire?
        defrost 3y ago
        https://www.justice.gov/archives/publications/waco/report-deputy-attorney-general-events-waco-texas-appendix-d-arson-report https://www.justice.gov/archives/publications/waco/report-de... As addressed in the upstream PBS summary and the released report linked here, arsom investigators concluded the fire started at multiple internal ignation points simultaneously etc. etc. The report lists the physical evidence that led to that conclusion. Naturally you can assert that the report was doctored and the evidence fabricated, others can then respond and ask where is your evidence <shrug>.
      - WrongAssumption 3y ago
        https://wacotrib.com/news/local/history/branch-davidian-survivors-share-memories-hopes-in-waco-30-years-after-fire/article_b97afc8c-df0f-11ed-9b03-a3917fd823ce.html https://wacotrib.com/news/local/history/branch-davidian-surv... There were lots of survivors
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I've heard recordings of them speaking about their beliefs. They were a nutty cult. It's sad for them. Cults have a lot of innocent brainwashed people. Koresh himself probably had serious mental health problems which is pitiable.

LeafItAlone 3y ago

Seems like an opportunity for you to update Wikipedia with the facts you know then? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Branch_Davidians https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Branch_Davidians

theultdev 3y ago
Nah I doubt they would accept it. Wikipedia is not the source of truth at all. And it's very clear knowledge that tear gas canisters cause fires in enclosed areas: https://sourcenm.com/2022/08/05/tear-gas-grenade-thrown-by-bernalillo-county-deputy-caused-deadly-house-fire-investigators-say/ https://sourcenm.com/2022/08/05/tear-gas-grenade-thrown-by-b... https://www.austinchronicle.com/news/2000-07-07/77866/ https://www.austinchronicle.com/news/2000-07-07/77866/ Now you go update wikipedia, if you want.
- LeafItAlone 3y ago
  After reading your articles, it looks like Wikipedia does not need to be updated at all. The group is still indeed a nutty cult and while the gas used may contribute to a fire, there was evidence that the Davidians did start the fire, whether or not the gas helped it grow.
  - theultdev 3y ago
    Can you point me to the evidence? And we don't know if they were a wacky cult because the ATF burned everyone to death so no interviews...
    - LeafItAlone 3y ago
      The Wikipedia article on the subject links to many different sources and their evidence. This one seems to be a good enough summation: https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/waco/topten2.html https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/waco/topten2.html People from the cult did survive, did do interviews, and even brought lawsuits. A large group was released before the fires and nine more survived the entire incident. So maybe you aren’t as familiar as you think? Furthermore, we already know more than enough about the cult from _before_ the incident. It’s pretty clear they are a nutty cult. But, I suspect none of what I wrote above matters to you. You’ll probably still say that it’s a conspiracy and the group was a normal gathering of people, ignoring all of the evidence to the contrary. So I’m not even sure what I hope to gain from this response.
      - theultdev 3y ago
        Sorry, the ATF burned most of them to death. But you still didn't answer my question... Where is the evidence that the Davidians started the fire?
        defrost 3y ago
        https://www.justice.gov/archives/publications/waco/report-deputy-attorney-general-events-waco-texas-appendix-d-arson-report https://www.justice.gov/archives/publications/waco/report-de... As addressed in the upstream PBS summary and the released report linked here, arsom investigators concluded the fire started at multiple internal ignation points simultaneously etc. etc. The report lists the physical evidence that led to that conclusion. Naturally you can assert that the report was doctored and the evidence fabricated, others can then respond and ask where is your evidence <shrug>.
    - WrongAssumption 3y ago
      https://wacotrib.com/news/local/history/branch-davidian-survivors-share-memories-hopes-in-waco-30-years-after-fire/article_b97afc8c-df0f-11ed-9b03-a3917fd823ce.html https://wacotrib.com/news/local/history/branch-davidian-surv... There were lots of survivors

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