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It feels like talking about religion. In a lot of them at the very least, there is an almighty, omniscient god, the alpha, the everyday, and the omega god, the

It feels like talking about religion. In a lot of them at the very least, there is an almighty, omniscient god, the alpha, the everyday, and the omega god, the one that maximizes knowledge, intelligence, power, whatever. And people following that religion know exactly how that entity thinks and behave. Because that entity should think like humans of the current culture does, no? With aliens, with a different culture, civilization if that concept applies, language or not, and enough technology to make interstellar travel, and all of that for thousands to millions of years, those aliens that are far beyond our imagination, well, somewhat we know how they think and should behave, now knowing the technology they should have, the knowledge about the universe they should have, philosophy or whatever. We don't even know if it will be ever practical interstellar travel, because we didn't reach that stage yet. In theory it should work... in theory I could climb stairs till reaching the moon too. People is too busy trying to figure out how advanced aliens should think, and didn't stopped to analyze how they are thinking.

kiba 3y ago
We don't even know if it will be ever practical interstellar travel, because we didn't reach that stage yet. In theory it should work... in theory I could climb stairs till reaching the moon too. People is too busy trying to figure out how advanced aliens should think, and didn't stopped to analyze how they are thinking By using our knowledge of physics, we can make reasonable speculation on what is possible and not possible, and what engineering we need to do to make these effort successful. Some people's work are so successful that they became foundational to our knowledge base today. Same as with aliens. We can make reasonable extrapolation on what we might see from the type of aliens that expand versus and aliens that don't. They are of course, guesses, and those guesses continued to be argued and refined. Note that the site doesn't assumed that all aliens are grabby, only that some are grabby aliens, and try to extrapolate on what it might look like if they are grabby.
- pavel_lishin 3y ago
  > By using our knowledge of physics, we can make reasonable speculation on what is possible and not possible, and what engineering we need to do to make these effort successful Our speculation is only as good as our understanding of physics. Which is pretty good! But people in 1800s thought they had discovered just about everything to be discovered, and thought themselves at the end of physics, too.
  - kiba 3y ago
    Eh, people like to extrapolate by analogies. Doesn't actually mean that it's true. We can only reasonably speculate using our existing knowledge base. Doesn't mean that people literally think we know all there is to physics. People even acknowledged that it's incomplete.
o11c 3y ago
> And people following that religion know exactly how that entity thinks and behave. Because that entity should think like humans of the current culture does, no? Those are really interesting claims you make. Very often I see the exact opposite claims out there: humans have almost no idea what the god(s) are really thinking, and religion seeks to contrast itself from the surrounding culture. (that's not the biggest philosophical conflict I see in religious discussion, but the other is Christian-specific)

kiba 3y ago

We don't even know if it will be ever practical interstellar travel, because we didn't reach that stage yet. In theory it should work... in theory I could climb stairs till reaching the moon too. People is too busy trying to figure out how advanced aliens should think, and didn't stopped to analyze how they are thinking By using our knowledge of physics, we can make reasonable speculation on what is possible and not possible, and what engineering we need to do to make these effort successful. Some people's work are so successful that they became foundational to our knowledge base today. Same as with aliens. We can make reasonable extrapolation on what we might see from the type of aliens that expand versus and aliens that don't. They are of course, guesses, and those guesses continued to be argued and refined. Note that the site doesn't assumed that all aliens are grabby, only that some are grabby aliens, and try to extrapolate on what it might look like if they are grabby.

pavel_lishin 3y ago
> By using our knowledge of physics, we can make reasonable speculation on what is possible and not possible, and what engineering we need to do to make these effort successful Our speculation is only as good as our understanding of physics. Which is pretty good! But people in 1800s thought they had discovered just about everything to be discovered, and thought themselves at the end of physics, too.
- kiba 3y ago
  Eh, people like to extrapolate by analogies. Doesn't actually mean that it's true. We can only reasonably speculate using our existing knowledge base. Doesn't mean that people literally think we know all there is to physics. People even acknowledged that it's incomplete.

o11c 3y ago

> And people following that religion know exactly how that entity thinks and behave. Because that entity should think like humans of the current culture does, no? Those are really interesting claims you make. Very often I see the exact opposite claims out there: humans have almost no idea what the god(s) are really thinking, and religion seeks to contrast itself from the surrounding culture. (that's not the biggest philosophical conflict I see in religious discussion, but the other is Christian-specific)