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What hourly rate did you charge? I have bills, and free labor doesn't pay them. If an employer spends 1-2 hours talking tech, the role, experience, culture fit

What hourly rate did you charge? I have bills, and free labor doesn't pay them. If an employer spends 1-2 hours talking tech, the role, experience, culture fit, and maybe a quick "yes, I can code" toy PoC -- fine, I'll volunteer. But if one interview process requires a day+ of investment...I'll pass, thanks. Ditto for whiteboard hazing rituals, whose prerequisites include memorizing algo' arcana and cute puzzles. I have personal obligations, which I won't sacrifice to practice dancing like a clown for a stranger with a fetish for reinventing bubble sort or whatever. Either respect my time and status as your peer, or don't bother wasting both of our time. If that means fewer opportunities for me, then so be it. My deathbed reflections won't include "Damn, I regret spending so much time with loved ones instead of learning how to optimally stack rings onto three pegs." Apologies for the rant. I'm clearly passionate about this lol

pavel_lishin 3y ago
I mean, sure, that's fine. But if you discount the take-home portion - four hours - everything else would still have taken time, because I had to spend time on the phone with HR for the initial screen, and I had to go in for an interview afterwards anyway, and ain't nobody going to pay you for the privilege of interviewing. And if I'm going to spend time displaying my abilities, doing it quietly at home on my own time is vastly better than in a shitty meeting room with two people breathing down my fucking neck. Do take-homes suck, and unfairly privilege people with more free time? Yes. Are they slightly better than the other asinine bullshit interviewers love to throw at candidates? Fucking absolutely.
xandrius 3y ago
Couldn't agree more; if the exercise takes more than 20-30 minutes, I am always asking if they are ok with me charging them my freelance hourly rate for the time needed to complete the exercise (regardless of hiring result).

pavel_lishin 3y ago

I mean, sure, that's fine. But if you discount the take-home portion - four hours - everything else would still have taken time, because I had to spend time on the phone with HR for the initial screen, and I had to go in for an interview afterwards anyway, and ain't nobody going to pay you for the privilege of interviewing. And if I'm going to spend time displaying my abilities, doing it quietly at home on my own time is vastly better than in a shitty meeting room with two people breathing down my fucking neck. Do take-homes suck, and unfairly privilege people with more free time? Yes. Are they slightly better than the other asinine bullshit interviewers love to throw at candidates? Fucking absolutely.

xandrius 3y ago

Couldn't agree more; if the exercise takes more than 20-30 minutes, I am always asking if they are ok with me charging them my freelance hourly rate for the time needed to complete the exercise (regardless of hiring result).