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AI so much much more than retrieval since it knows how to correctly apply exist concepts to previously unexplored areas. You can ask ChatGPT how one might impl

AI so much much more than retrieval since it knows how to correctly apply exist concepts to previously unexplored areas. You can ask ChatGPT how one might implement and enforce laws in a world where magic exists. Or time travel. Or whatever. Because it knows laws and it knows common fiction tropes and can reason well enough to surmise how to apply them together.

wordpad25 3y ago
Wanted to give it a try. I didn't even consider many of these and doubt I would've come up with such a good list even if I had a lot of time. Much less than 1 second it took to generate the response. In a world where magic exists, laws and the legislative system would likely undergo significant adaptations to address the unique capabilities and risks presented by magic. Here are several ways in which these systems might be different, based on various assumptions about the nature and scope of magic: 1. *Regulation of Magical Practices*: Just as with professions and practices in our world, there would be regulations governing who can practice magic, how it can be learned, and where it can be used. Licenses or permits might be required for practicing certain types of magic, similar to medical licenses or driving licenses. 2. *Magic-Related Offenses*: New categories of crimes would exist, such as unauthorized enchantments, illegal curses, magical fraud (using illusions or mind control for deceit), and unlicensed necromancy. Laws would specify what constitutes a magical assault versus a non-magical one, with potentially different penalties. 3. *Enforcement and Jurisdiction*: Special law enforcement units trained in counter-magic or magical defense would be necessary to handle crimes involving magic. The jurisdiction might depend on the nature of the magic used; for example, cross-dimensional or time-altering magic could involve a higher authority or international magical council. 4. *Evidence and Investigation*: The collection of evidence might include magical means, such as truth spells, scrying (viewing distant or future events), or reviewing memories directly. However, there would also need to be laws protecting individuals against invasive magical investigations. 5. *Rights and Protections*: There would be laws to protect non-magical beings from discrimination or harm by magical individuals or entities. Similarly, sentient magical creatures or beings might have their own rights, leading to more complex legal considerations regarding interspecies interactions. 6. *Ethical Use of Magic*: Legislation would likely address the ethical implications of spellcasting, summoning, and other magical practices, including the use of magic on unwilling subjects or creating sentient beings. Regulations might prevent or restrict the use of magic that can alter someone's will, memories, or identity. 7. *Magical Contracts and Agreements*: The legal system would need to address the binding nature of magical contracts, which could have irrevocable consequences. Laws might specify how such contracts can be fairly negotiated and what remedies exist for breaking a magical contract. 8. *Intellectual Property*: In a world where spells, potions, and magical items are created, there would be intellectual property laws protecting the creators of magical inventions. This could include patents on spell formulas, copyright on magical texts, or trademarks on magical item designs. 9. *International Relations and Security*: On a larger scale, there might be international laws governing the use of magic, especially in conflicts or espionage. Treaties could limit the use of particularly destructive spells or ban the creation of magical weapons of mass destruction. 10. *Education and Public Safety*: Laws would govern the education and training of individuals with magical abilities, possibly requiring mandatory schooling to ensure that magic is used safely and responsibly. Public safety regulations would address the storage of magical materials and the construction of magically protected buildings. In this magical world, the legal and legislative system would need to be flexible and innovative, capable of addressing the ever-evolving nature of magic and its impact on society. It would be a blend of traditional legal principles and new rules designed to manage the unique challenges posed by the existence of magic.
- bena 3y ago
  All of these are basically "what we have now, but with magic". I'm sorry but how magic and the legal system interact is a subject explored in fiction. Hell, even Harry Potter touched on the subject. And that's not going to even touch authors like Jim Butcher and Piers Anthony who have entire series about "this, but with magic".
- pcc 3y ago
  Fun little exercise: while reading above, see what happens when mentally substituting “magic” with “AI”, words like “enchantments” with “algorithms” and so on.
- aspenmayer 3y ago
  You basically just described the anime Witch Hunter Robin. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witch_Hunter_Robin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witch_Hunter_Robin
oldandtired 3y ago
You make the following comment regarding artificial stupidity systems (AI) > since it knows how to correctly apply exist concepts to previously unexplored areas and yet these systems know nothing at all. Far too many people (including the developers of such systems) have failed to understand that none of these systems can go beyond the programming that humans have incorporated into them. Yes, they appear to exhibit certain [abilities] but no more than any other essentially mechanical device and the limited capabilities that we have been able to design in them. You can certainly pose questions and these systems (within the constraints of the programming involved in them) can retrieve and correlate data that is accessible. Bus the insights drawn will require human involvement. Over decades, I have built tools to help in the analysis of all sorts of data sets and it has taken a human asking the [right] questions to get appropriate outcomes. We do not understand our own intelligence let alone being able to build any artificial intelligent system that can operate on its own. What does amaze me though is that we create natural intelligence systems all the time and they are called children. I have been avidly watching the development of my youngest grandchild and she makes an absolute mockery of any artificial system we have built anywhere. In a very real sense, every artificial stupidity system (AI) that we have built is as complicated as a hammer or a knife. It is what we (human beings) do with these simple tools that determine the outcomes.
- philipswood 3y ago
  > and yet these systems know nothing at all. Far too many people (including the developers of such systems) have failed to understand that none of these systems can go beyond the programming that humans have incorporated into them. > within the constraints of the programming involved in them I think the point of machine learning is that programming isn't "incorporated into them". These systems may not be intelligent yet, but we certainly didn't program them - the majority of their features and abilities arise from the training data they were exposed to.
- snoman 3y ago
  I get what you’re saying, and will echo that these systems are still just tools that enhance what we, as humans, are capable of doing. But I think you’re failing to consider that even comparatively simple systems can exhibit emergent behavior, well beyond their programming. You’re being unreasonably reductive and dismissive.
ben_w 3y ago
To an extent, but it's only about 85-95% correct even in the good domains, which is fantastic for a few steps… and then it makes a fundamental error and half the time doesn't understand corrections given by domain experts that would get it back on track. This limitation is the only reason why all of us all have jobs, so do plan for your economic future on the assumption the AI get past this flaw with no warning — how many steps it can do before falling over isn't something I can predict, despite regular use of even the OpenAI playground before ChatGPT came out.
cycomanic 3y ago
Well in my experience it more knows how to incorrectly apply existing concepts to incompatible areas and exert great confidence while doing it. I have just two recent examples where I thought it would be faster to use chatgpt instead of reading the manual. 1. How to asynchronously (e.g. asyncio) record from the microphone in python. Chatgpt gave me good which looked elegant, but didn't work. Well turns out pyaudio isn't compatible with asyncio. 2. Trying to install a docker of some server (I think it was wallabag?) with an SSO using openid. Again I got a elaborate docker compose file and instructions for the server configuration. After trying to implement it for a while I realised that those configuration options don't exist. Chatgpt just invented them. My conclusion from these is that one really shouldn't ask AI question were one already knows the answer/correct way and you just want to have something create the boilerplate. I shudder and the thought that people are proposing to use AI for medical purposes without supervision by a professional.
- tzs 3y ago
  I've seen similar, although in my cases the wrong answers turned out the be useful. They used commands or functions or APIs that I had not known about, and when I looked into those found that they could solve my problem when used correctly.
- p1esk 3y ago
  When you say ChatGPT, do you mean 4 or 3.5?
  - thejohnconway 3y ago
    4 does this, but I don’t think this it the show-stopper some people seem think it is. You can ask it to correct itself by feeding it the error messages. It’s like have a very knowledgeable, extremely fast programmer on call. Sometimes their guesses aren’t right first try — so what?
    - p1esk 3y ago
      Maybe. I just don’t like to confuse the two, it’s like talking to a middle schooler vs talking to a graduate student. In both cases you can say the experience sucked but you should specify which was it.

wordpad25 3y ago

Wanted to give it a try. I didn't even consider many of these and doubt I would've come up with such a good list even if I had a lot of time. Much less than 1 second it took to generate the response. In a world where magic exists, laws and the legislative system would likely undergo significant adaptations to address the unique capabilities and risks presented by magic. Here are several ways in which these systems might be different, based on various assumptions about the nature and scope of magic: 1. *Regulation of Magical Practices*: Just as with professions and practices in our world, there would be regulations governing who can practice magic, how it can be learned, and where it can be used. Licenses or permits might be required for practicing certain types of magic, similar to medical licenses or driving licenses. 2. *Magic-Related Offenses*: New categories of crimes would exist, such as unauthorized enchantments, illegal curses, magical fraud (using illusions or mind control for deceit), and unlicensed necromancy. Laws would specify what constitutes a magical assault versus a non-magical one, with potentially different penalties. 3. *Enforcement and Jurisdiction*: Special law enforcement units trained in counter-magic or magical defense would be necessary to handle crimes involving magic. The jurisdiction might depend on the nature of the magic used; for example, cross-dimensional or time-altering magic could involve a higher authority or international magical council. 4. *Evidence and Investigation*: The collection of evidence might include magical means, such as truth spells, scrying (viewing distant or future events), or reviewing memories directly. However, there would also need to be laws protecting individuals against invasive magical investigations. 5. *Rights and Protections*: There would be laws to protect non-magical beings from discrimination or harm by magical individuals or entities. Similarly, sentient magical creatures or beings might have their own rights, leading to more complex legal considerations regarding interspecies interactions. 6. *Ethical Use of Magic*: Legislation would likely address the ethical implications of spellcasting, summoning, and other magical practices, including the use of magic on unwilling subjects or creating sentient beings. Regulations might prevent or restrict the use of magic that can alter someone's will, memories, or identity. 7. *Magical Contracts and Agreements*: The legal system would need to address the binding nature of magical contracts, which could have irrevocable consequences. Laws might specify how such contracts can be fairly negotiated and what remedies exist for breaking a magical contract. 8. *Intellectual Property*: In a world where spells, potions, and magical items are created, there would be intellectual property laws protecting the creators of magical inventions. This could include patents on spell formulas, copyright on magical texts, or trademarks on magical item designs. 9. *International Relations and Security*: On a larger scale, there might be international laws governing the use of magic, especially in conflicts or espionage. Treaties could limit the use of particularly destructive spells or ban the creation of magical weapons of mass destruction. 10. *Education and Public Safety*: Laws would govern the education and training of individuals with magical abilities, possibly requiring mandatory schooling to ensure that magic is used safely and responsibly. Public safety regulations would address the storage of magical materials and the construction of magically protected buildings. In this magical world, the legal and legislative system would need to be flexible and innovative, capable of addressing the ever-evolving nature of magic and its impact on society. It would be a blend of traditional legal principles and new rules designed to manage the unique challenges posed by the existence of magic.

bena 3y ago
All of these are basically "what we have now, but with magic". I'm sorry but how magic and the legal system interact is a subject explored in fiction. Hell, even Harry Potter touched on the subject. And that's not going to even touch authors like Jim Butcher and Piers Anthony who have entire series about "this, but with magic".
pcc 3y ago
Fun little exercise: while reading above, see what happens when mentally substituting “magic” with “AI”, words like “enchantments” with “algorithms” and so on.
aspenmayer 3y ago
You basically just described the anime Witch Hunter Robin. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witch_Hunter_Robin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witch_Hunter_Robin

oldandtired 3y ago

You make the following comment regarding artificial stupidity systems (AI) > since it knows how to correctly apply exist concepts to previously unexplored areas and yet these systems know nothing at all. Far too many people (including the developers of such systems) have failed to understand that none of these systems can go beyond the programming that humans have incorporated into them. Yes, they appear to exhibit certain [abilities] but no more than any other essentially mechanical device and the limited capabilities that we have been able to design in them. You can certainly pose questions and these systems (within the constraints of the programming involved in them) can retrieve and correlate data that is accessible. Bus the insights drawn will require human involvement. Over decades, I have built tools to help in the analysis of all sorts of data sets and it has taken a human asking the [right] questions to get appropriate outcomes. We do not understand our own intelligence let alone being able to build any artificial intelligent system that can operate on its own. What does amaze me though is that we create natural intelligence systems all the time and they are called children. I have been avidly watching the development of my youngest grandchild and she makes an absolute mockery of any artificial system we have built anywhere. In a very real sense, every artificial stupidity system (AI) that we have built is as complicated as a hammer or a knife. It is what we (human beings) do with these simple tools that determine the outcomes.

philipswood 3y ago
> and yet these systems know nothing at all. Far too many people (including the developers of such systems) have failed to understand that none of these systems can go beyond the programming that humans have incorporated into them. > within the constraints of the programming involved in them I think the point of machine learning is that programming isn't "incorporated into them". These systems may not be intelligent yet, but we certainly didn't program them - the majority of their features and abilities arise from the training data they were exposed to.
snoman 3y ago
I get what you’re saying, and will echo that these systems are still just tools that enhance what we, as humans, are capable of doing. But I think you’re failing to consider that even comparatively simple systems can exhibit emergent behavior, well beyond their programming. You’re being unreasonably reductive and dismissive.

ben_w 3y ago

To an extent, but it's only about 85-95% correct even in the good domains, which is fantastic for a few steps… and then it makes a fundamental error and half the time doesn't understand corrections given by domain experts that would get it back on track. This limitation is the only reason why all of us all have jobs, so do plan for your economic future on the assumption the AI get past this flaw with no warning — how many steps it can do before falling over isn't something I can predict, despite regular use of even the OpenAI playground before ChatGPT came out.

cycomanic 3y ago

Well in my experience it more knows how to incorrectly apply existing concepts to incompatible areas and exert great confidence while doing it. I have just two recent examples where I thought it would be faster to use chatgpt instead of reading the manual. 1. How to asynchronously (e.g. asyncio) record from the microphone in python. Chatgpt gave me good which looked elegant, but didn't work. Well turns out pyaudio isn't compatible with asyncio. 2. Trying to install a docker of some server (I think it was wallabag?) with an SSO using openid. Again I got a elaborate docker compose file and instructions for the server configuration. After trying to implement it for a while I realised that those configuration options don't exist. Chatgpt just invented them. My conclusion from these is that one really shouldn't ask AI question were one already knows the answer/correct way and you just want to have something create the boilerplate. I shudder and the thought that people are proposing to use AI for medical purposes without supervision by a professional.

tzs 3y ago
I've seen similar, although in my cases the wrong answers turned out the be useful. They used commands or functions or APIs that I had not known about, and when I looked into those found that they could solve my problem when used correctly.
p1esk 3y ago
When you say ChatGPT, do you mean 4 or 3.5?
- thejohnconway 3y ago
  4 does this, but I don’t think this it the show-stopper some people seem think it is. You can ask it to correct itself by feeding it the error messages. It’s like have a very knowledgeable, extremely fast programmer on call. Sometimes their guesses aren’t right first try — so what?
  - p1esk 3y ago
    Maybe. I just don’t like to confuse the two, it’s like talking to a middle schooler vs talking to a graduate student. In both cases you can say the experience sucked but you should specify which was it.